Won't happen...I don't carry openly or swing them around in public places.
Air-Rifle
Posted on 09/24/2014 8:17:16 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy
Editor's note: It is the general policy of Northeast Ohio Media Group not to show images of people being killed. We chose to publish this video because it addresses questions that have been raised about the behavior of the suspect and the police.
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine released a surveillance video Wednesday showing John Crawford III being shot to death by police last month in a Dayton-area Walmart.
DeWine's release of the video and 9-1-1 recording coincided with a Greene County grand jury finding that Beavercreek police were justified in shooting the 22-year-old man, whom they believed was armed with a rifle.
In the footage, Crawford is seen talking on a cell phone and waving what turned out to be an air rifle at the end of a store aisle. Police arrived after a 9-1-1 caller reported that a man was waving around a gun and pointing it at people.
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oooooohh it was $49.00 BB/pellet gun, not a real gun, it isn’t enough of a difference to explain your posts, or to explain why he is dead.
You are poorly informed. http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-erik-scott/
http://bearingarms.com/walmart-airgun-death-looks-worse-every-passing-day/
The 911 caller and his wife are lairs:
She said at one point, a family was standing next to the man with the rifle, but didn’t notice the rifle. The man turned to look at them with a stare she described as if he was telling them, “don’t come near me.”
He was holding a cellphone between his left ear and left shoulder while messing with the rifle, she said. “He just kept messing with it and I heard a clicking,” she said.
Ronald Ritche [sic] said the man “was just waving it at children and people. Items.... I couldn’t hear anything that he was saying. I’m thinking that he is either going to rob the place or he’s there to shoot somebody else.” The man looked kind of serious, Ronald Ritchie said. “He didn’t really want to be looked at and when people did look at him, he was pointing the gun at them. He was pointing at people. Children walking by.”
The Erik Scott case is not the subject of this thread.
Ah, I understand now. Thanks for the information. I never knew there was a way to back out.
Point taken. But, if the air rifle already was unwrapped when he picked it off the store shelf, then Walmart shouldn’t have left it on the shelf unwrapped.
Either way, though, if Crawford had had a shopping cart, this never would’ve happened. It seems that it happened because he was carrying the air rifle.
In the video, he’s standing alone in an aisle. He’s talking on his phone. It looks like he’s placing it on his shoulder, then taking it down. He’s looking at products in the aisle and using the air rifle to point at them.
When a parent and children appear, he stops moving the air rifle around. So, the key seems to be that he thought he was alone.
I guess he had no idea a real nutcase would call 911 and lie about what he was doing. Then a young mother collapsed and died running from the police shooting.
It looks like the real lesson in this story is: Never carry an air rifle or anything that resembles a gun, even if you’ve just picked it up in a store. Put it in the shopping cart. Whatever you do, don’t touch it.
What a tragic story for two people.
Just the kids “behavior with the gun” was not, as you say a typical shopper....some have said he was on a cell phone as well...am interested to know that conversation...could have been about the gun for all we know.
The blame goes ‘directly’ on the guys decisions ...it’s ‘his behavior’ and ‘his choice’ to throw a gun up over his shoulder and strut around through the aisle, (from where ever he picked up the gun) and continue to swing the gun around. (was it boxed and he took it out? Why if so?)
If I was watching that I would have also called 911 and spoken as the guy did who called...who by the way was not hysterical in the least, rather calm and careful to answer the questions as they were asked.
Further the gun did point at the kids while he was swinging it around...take a look at the couple kids who walked past the aisle early on in the video, not just the woman at the cooler...
What difference if he was “pointing it directly” or swinging it around....how many deaths have happened because idiots handle guns in such a way as they fire... ‘The guy had control’ of the gun..it was in his hand to swing it around or not.
And “why” did he go off to a secluded end of the store to “load it” or appear as if doing so?....his entire “behavior” was suspect of even someone who might well be stealing this gun.
All considered....the guy brought this on himself.
Yep. I know you're right. I don't think our local Walmarts sell real firearms anymore. But, around 10-15 years ago, they did. The toy department and sporting goods were right next to each other. So the gun counter was right behind the toy department. Once I was looking for a toy, and I asked the guy standing right there behind the gun counter for help.
Another time, a father and son (I assumed) dressed in full camo were walking through Walmart carrying what I believed were rifles. (I didn't stop to really look.) Those firearms (assuming they were real) were not in packages, and no one seemed startled at all. They were smiling, and I assumed they were going on a hunting trip. (FTR, both father and son were black.)
Won't happen...I don't carry openly or swing them around in public places.
Air-Rifle
What portion of the video was he pointing the gun at the kids?
He was swinging the gun around as kids walked by...early on two kids walked by the aise with their father...and later a woman with her two kids.
I wrongly assumed that you had the intellectual capacity to understand the connection.
My mistake.
See, the Officer didn't know any of that either and just because that Video
didn't show him aiming that Firearm, "Yes Firearm" at people does not
make it untrue. I don't think the 911 caller lied in his call.
So your Internet Chicken Shit Badass comment is meaningless trolling.
How about you answer my question and make some sense to me about what you
think was in his mind when he grabbed a Firearm off a shelf without stopping,
and proceeded to walk around the store pointing it carelessly without
any respect to the safety of others?
Where in the video is he pointing the BB gun at kids?
I can see that point if view and through those lens. I think the guy that should take the definite fall for this is the caller. It felt as others said he was looking for something to occur.
The caller was right saying the guy with the gun was pointing it ‘at People’....from his viewpoint “overhead” he could see the people walking by the third isle over, while the kid was pointing it toward them, even if he wasn’t aware there were people in that aisle...sticking.pointing a gun in and out of a the shelf unit put those people at risk....so he was correct to say he was pointing the gun at people at the time he said it.
@ 08;21;47;20.... points the gun toward the third aisle with people passing down it which the caller could see the people walking down that aisle even if the gun guy didn’t.
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