Step one for you is to try and convince people that the military doesn't deal in global threats of a biological nature, or in infectious disease.
Posted on 09/22/2014 7:26:25 PM PDT by Kartographer
The backs of the battered secondhand vans carrying the dead were closed with twisted, rusting wire. Bodies were dumped in new graves, and a worker in a short-sleeve shirt carried away the stretcher, wearing only plastic bags over his hands as protection. The outlook for the day at King Tom Cemetery was busy.
“We will need much more space,” said James C. O. Hamilton, the chief gravedigger, as a colleague cleared the bush with his machete.
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Thanks! Shows up fine here, of course, ‘cuz it’s cached on my hard drive. I’duh never known without you.
I’ll swipe another image.
Thanks again!
Yeah, well, he sorta liked WWII (at least in retrospect). We were fighting an enemy who was clearly in the wrong, clearly evil, clearly different, and clearly an existential threat, and with the full support of the homefrontand an honorable CIC.
And more importantly we were fighting to win.
Korea, much the same.
Vietnam, not so much...
Not true.
If they send a thousand troops there and only manage to get 10% of them infected, they can bring 100 fresh cases back to the USofA and let some fraction of them wander around, to the mall, to the sports stadium, to drop their kids off at school, to fly in crowded airplanes from here to there, to live in close quarters in their barracks while shedding viruses and getting a little sicker each day until frank unignorable symptoms present.
I'd say that's an impact, wouldn't you?
The scary thing today, more frightening than Ebola is that we are again facing an enemy who is clearly in the wrong, clearly evil, clearly different, and clearly an existential threat - and that enemy is in our White House. I'd rather have Vietnam again than the drug-addled communist we're stuck with today.
Who, in their wildest fevered nightmares would have ever imagined that we’d look back at the Vietnam era as ‘the good old days’???
First, you are obviously correct on protecting our borders. We should have border security for a number of reasons, including keeping terrorists our, keeping people with Ebola out, keeping terrorists with Ebola out, keeping drug smugglers out, and keeping all other illegals out of our country. This should be an extremely high priority, and it's not because the far left cares more about politics than about protecting Americans.
However, there is a lot that the US Army can do in Africa that will help to protect us in the United States. We can set up MASH-style tent hospitals with 200 to 500 cots each for a total of 10,000 to 20,000 patient cots. That doesn't cover the forecasts for 500k to one million patients in the next few months, but that is the point. It covers (probably) all currently infected individuals and those who would get infected over the few weeks it takes to set up these mobile hospitals. The unreported Ebola patients will come if they have access to an Ebola clinic in which they get a bed plus food, water, and care. These mobile hospitals will also get Lassa Fever and Malaria patients (numerous false diagnoses of Ebola have come from those two diseases), so they need extra cots for those people and screening to separate the different diseases, but if they provide the beds this week, they will dramatically reduce the spread of Ebola next week.
I'm not saying that Obama is actually sending the right parts of our Army to Africa, but setting up mobile hospitals will (1) partially contain the disease by giving those who know they are sick a place to go, and (2) buy more time to track down contacts of those who are known to be infected while responding to a slower-growing epidemic. Any time an Ebola clinic opens, it fills within a day, so we know there are unreported Ebola cases that would come. Taking them out of the general population and isolating them will change the growth rate of this epidemic, which buys us time.
We are also sending medical staff to train those operating the clinics (technically not to treat patients). These Army physicians, nurses, and medics will work with doctors and nurses who have been knowingly treating Ebola cases or even delivering babies for mothers who have Ebola and don't know it. They will be at risk for Ebola, and some will most likely contract it. You can't work with professionals while treating them as lepers and get positive results. I am worried about the concept of operations for this aspect of our military deployment, about the precautions and screening methods to be set up for those we work with, and whether Obama listened to someone who thought things through.
That is unexpected, isn't it?
Yes it is a conspiracy of your own creation in your own mind, you haven’t uncovered a conspiracy, you just made one up in your head. one leap that you have to make to start forming your conspiracy, is that the Army isn’t supposed to deal with biological and infectious disease threats globally and on a large scale.
Ft. Dietrick is an Army research lab, it isn’t the international field operation of the United States Army and the United States military in Biological warfare and infectious disease operations and surveillance and suppression.
As far as debate, this isn’t a debate site, and your constant personal attacks shows the hollowness of your continued personal attacks in that post.
The Army has always been involved in the Ebola outbreaks in Africa, along with Sars and Aids, and other infectious disease.
The Army doesn’t face biological threats and disease as an afterthought, it trains for it, and prepares to operate under those conditions, and has units and schools that train soldiers as specialists in those fields, just as we train Artillery and Aviation soldiers, and Military Police in their specialities. Confronting this threat before it engulfs the world is part of what the Army is for.
To flesh that out some.
“” More than half of the routine vaccines given to service members today were codeveloped by the US military. Beyond protection of its own forces, the military’s advances also created solutions to diseases of dire importance to national and international public health. Of 15 adult vaccines licensed in the United States since 1962, the DOD played a significant role in developing eight.””
“” The U.S. military has stationed uniformed scientists in the tropics for more than 100 years, and its active overseas laboratories have been in place for as long as 58 years. Military scientists live and work in the tropics to study the disease threats in naturally affected populations. Countermeasures and candidate solutions are studied through all phases of development including field testing. These military scientists serve as goodwill ambassadors, and contribute to developing health and science infrastructure in these tropical countries. Enduring relationships between tropical DoD facilities and ministries of health, international healthcare facilities, and local healthcare providers and researchers are of great value to the U.S. at a time when diseases such as SARS and avian influenza are potential global threats. The global MIDRP military presence provides a real-time early warning system in the identification and assessment of new and reemerging disease. Data from around the world is collected, analyzed, and immediately disseminated to military leadership and other agencies by the military’s DoD Global Emerging Infections Surveillance and Response System (DoD-GEIS) at the Armed Forces Health and Surveillance Center (AFHSC).
The MIDRP’s capabilities include basic science (discovery and the knowledge base to develop technological approaches) pre-clinical product optimization, and advanced animal model development. Clinical trials expertise for early FDA Phase 1 testing of drugs and vaccines through large (e.g. 42,000 volunteers for hepatitis A vaccine, and 62,000 volunteers for Japanese encephalitis vaccine) pivotal Phase 3 trials in developing nations is an especially valuable asset of the MIDRP. The DoD also has high containment laboratories, pilot Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) compliant bioproduction facilities, and FDA regulatory expertise in the U.S. and in many international settings.”
Thank you.
Thanks for your acronym laden post meant to assert that you know what you are talking about.
You completely miss the point and claim conspiracy theorists are conspiring against you.
This is a bad idea for a bad reason.
Step one for you is to try and convince people that the military doesn't deal in global threats of a biological nature, or in infectious disease.
I don't doubt that we'll have to be careful if Ebola emerges here, but I do doubt that the spread would be as extreme. That would be, in part, because a percentage of the population is ready to self-quarantine.
Yep, two entirely different worlds.
A typical American home is full of porcelain and stainless steel surfaces, a laundry room, tubs and showers, screened windows, scalding hot water, bleach and antiseptics, air conditioning and communications, and people who can understand and follow basic medical instructions, and that will eagerly seek more knowledge and solutions to such medical threats to their families.
Our people eat vitamins and walk through drugstores and pharmacy and cleanser and disinfectant sections of grocery stores that are extraordinary, yet just a part of our daily shopping for bread and milk.
We are many stages ahead of where the Africans are. Even in mass catastrophes we have huge modern buildings to move people, to warehouse them and still have modern plumbing, and electricity and easy access and such, we even have vast amounts of plastic and construction goods and Home Depot materials and bedding to set up makeshift clinics in warehouses and other buildings, that again, would be the envy of African medical people. We even have the ability to move resources vast distances almost instantly, for example from Seattle to Chicago if needed.
None of this cures Ebola, but it sure is a different reality than what those poor saps in Africa face.
Weird, now tonight it's showing up again. I wonder whether it was just a temporary outage, like the server for that image was down....
“Step one for you is to try and convince people that the military doesn’t deal in global threats of a biological nature, or in infectious disease.”
I didn’t say that. Step one for you is to tell the truth and argue the argument that is being argued, not what you wish was being argued.
We have no business whatsoever in West Africa right now - if we are not going to do the very things that will stop the spread of the epidemic. It’s not hospitals, it’s preventing it’s travel between population centers.
Failing to do that, all the org charts in the world will do nothing to halt it’s spread. All the hospital beds and training will do nothing. Exponential growth overwhelms incremental measures.
If this were the US, the Army would contain the outbreak and prevent movement out of quarantined areas.
Are they doing that in Africa? Why not, do you think?
You know the answer, if you’ll think about it.
Do you like the new graphic?
There you go again, the Army doesn’t belong there, yet evidently they do.
So far all you have done is keep repeating your own personal wishes, that is, when you aren’t spouting your self created conspiracy fantasies.
You have repeated what you wish the military would do or couldn’t do, or wouldn’t do, over and over, we get it, you have a personal opinion, everyone already knows that.
No, Thank YOU. And,to all those who so selflessly volunteer to ensure we remain the greatest nation on earth!...Thank You!
> Do you like the new graphic?
Yes indeed!
“There you go again, the Army doesn’t belong there, yet evidently they do.”
Ah...they are there, and to you that is proof they belong there, right?
Well why don’t you keep your own argument to that instead of disagreeing with any point to the contrary?
I guess we are done here, no?
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