Posted on 08/11/2014 2:12:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Pope Francis has joined with Christians facing genocide in Iraq and Syria, calling upon the world to make an armed response to the Islamic State. He has asked the world to "stop these crimes" and called for the use of "a professional, well-equipped army."
You know a situation is bad when a pope calls for an armed response. Pope Francis, widely appreciated as a practical and realistic man, is not just calling for a cease-fire or negotiations. Instead, he is inviting an armed response to the terrorism of the Islamic State.
Such a call is virtually unprecedented for a pontiff in modern times, but our age is an extraordinary one and the Islamic State has no interest in a bargaining table. Instead, the Islamic State is bent on genocide and barbarism, ruthlessly exterminating anyone who opposes them.
On Sunday, Pope Francis said he held "dismay and disbelief" over what is happening in Iraq. He called the Islamic State fighters terrorists and said there was a need for "a professional, well-equipped army." "The situation is going from bad to worse," he warned.
Meanwhile, Pope Francis was not the only cleric calling for swift and decisive action to end the genocide in Iraq. The Episcopal Vicar of Iraq, Canon Andrew White, managed to visit the town of Qaraqosh under cover and personally assess the situation in that community following Islamic State capture.
His words are chilling. "Today, Qaraqosh stands 90 per cent empty, desecrated by the gunmen of the fanatical Islamic State terror group now in control. The majority of the town's 50,000 people have fled, fearing that, like other Christians in this region, they will be massacred.
"The militants, in a further act of sacrilege, have established their administrative posts in the abandoned churches."
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
Wikipedia.
Among other things.
I got a ‘dead tree’ book about them from Military Book Club a couple of years ago.
Thanks for clarifying that. I was surprised that the media wasn’t decrying the next crusade.
I quoted wikipedia in post 49.
OK ... so?
Do you have a point? Would you like to ask a question? Do you dispute either of my assertions in Post 128?
I was questioning the definition of executive protection force, I would like to see the source for that.
Wikipedia describes their role as “close protection”. The book explained that their job is protecting the Pope’s person ... similar to the role of the Secret Service in protecting the President’s person. Also (from the book), they stand down when there is no Pope.
i’m 61 and my gf is having a meltdown about moving to Lancaster. i just might go. where do i sign up.
hah lol for an hour
very cool new testament response.
ping
can you post the actual pronouncements?
It should have been.
Adonai is a warrior;
Adonai is his name.
— Ex. 15:3
And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
— Rev. 19:11
Here’s a good write up on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard
For the second time, I quoted that article in post 49.
Like, “let them eat cake,” it’s the sort of quote that the people who spread legend of it could not have possibly witnessed. But, as noted, the brutality was so severe, that the quote doubtlessly was believed because it reflected what must have been the attitude. I don’t see how you can consider that covering up for the Church, especially since I’m the one who brought it up!
There is no reason to think the Abbot didn’t say it.
Your version seems way off.
Didn’t see it.
OK, so I searched for -- Talisker Albigensians -- (which gets, BTW, 702 results on Google, but most of it is whisky: how the Albis got in there is a puzzle) and finally read through about 20 minutes' worth of exchanges narrowed down to Talkisker on FR. That was only a slice of a much bigger dialogue, I know. But what I read, was back-and-forth between you and dangus and various others (I pinged dangus because of the courtesy-ping rule) where
I am not going to risk my eyesight or my default position of good will (towards you, too, Talisker) by reading more pages of this stuff. It unscrolls wearyingly through many different threads starting out with Biblical canon, Innocent III, Lutheranism, Dominic, Tyndale, Frenchmen, friars, and ending up, always, with the atrocity at Beziers.
My impression is that saying "Albigensians" is one way of playing the Hitler card.
I repeat, that was only a slice of a much bigger dialogue, I know. But the pattern was, somebody objects to the anti-sex, or antinomian, or anarchist doctrines of the Albis, and you intepret this as support for genocide.
If that's the case --- and as I said (3x) I realize I'm dealing with fragments here --- then it's not fair. Objecting to some group's doctrines, whether they be anti-sex or anti-king or anti-Christ Our Lord, is not the same as justifying decades of slaughter.
If I missed the part where some FReeper Catholic said the indiscriminate targeting of a civilian population is OK, please get back to me with the link/quote. I will promptly go over and do some remedial catechism on them, good and hard.
Thank you.
P.S. You might be intrigued to know that on the day Pope Innocent III died at Rome, he appeared, in flames, to the Abbess St. Lutgarda in her monastery in Belgium. He said he had committed crimes which had merited his being in purgatory until the end of time, unless the copious prayers of merciful Christians served to appease the justice of God and mitigate his sentence.
He may still be sizzling, for all we know. It'd take a po'ful heap of prayers to get a reduced sentence on a verdict like that, I reckon. (It wasn't hell, though. Hell continues for eternity, after the end of time.) So that may show why, in the eyes of the Church, Lutgarda is regarded as a canonized saint, and Innocent is... ahem... not.
What the hell are you talking about?
I’m the one who brought up the Albigensians in the first place; I’m not trying to cover anything up. And in no way do I in any way condone the killing of heretics for any reason. But two million dead? There were 20,000 people in Beziers, and everyone who knows “Albigensians” knows Beziers because that battle is so infamous. Two million dead is a hundred Bezierses (sp?). Rummel (author of Democide) estimates the war resulted in 200,000 dead.
And not one excusable. My guess is that the horrors of the Albigensian crusade is how France, once known as the “first daughter of the Church” first became for the next seven centuries a breeding ground for anti-clerical movements, from Calvinism to the Reign of Terror to modern “laicite’”
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