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Putin signals total disregard for the West as rebels take down two more Ukrainian planes
Hot Air ^ | July 23, 2014 | Noah Rothman

Posted on 07/23/2014 2:10:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Vladimir Putin just showed the world exactly what he thinks of the President of the United State and NATO allies calls for him to rein in the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Less than a week after rebels took down a Malaysian passenger plane carrying nearly 300 civilians, the militants loyal to Moscow are not laying low. “Two Ukrainian fighter jets were shot down Wednesday in the eastern regions of the country that are controlled by Russian-backed separatists, according to Ukraine’s defense ministry,” USA Today reported on Wednesday.

It was the first reported shoot down of a plane over eastern Ukraine since a Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 298 people went down last Thursday, killing everyone aboard. U.S. officials say the Flight MH 17 was apparently brought down by a surface-to-air missile.

A similar SU-25 jet was shot down on July 17, the might before the MH 17 crash, by an air-to-air missile along the country’s border with Russia, according to the Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine’s national defense and security council.

The planes were reportedly taken down in the rebel-held eastern part of Ukraine, but far removed from the area in which MH17 was allegedly hit by a sophisticated surface-to-air missile....

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: creeps; killers; mh17; missiles; murderers; obama; putin; russia; thugs; ukraine
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A) A civilian airliner and a military fighter jet are not the same thing and (B) we're not certain how much "control" Putin's Russia has over these separatists.
1 posted on 07/23/2014 2:10:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The rebels apparently shot two of the four aircraft Kiev sent to try and stop the Rebels from overrunning the Units trapped in the southeast.

The conflicting info says the 79th Brigade was either “destroyed”, or surrendered, with some fleeing over the border into Russia.

If true, this is a huge loss to Kiev, in both militarily terms and image.


2 posted on 07/23/2014 2:14:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

George S. Patton was right.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 2:15:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you. I’m sick of the media trying to equate shooting down military jets with shooting down a passenger aircraft. It doesn’t matter if we agree with one side over the other or neither. Military planes are going to be a legitimate target.


4 posted on 07/23/2014 2:16:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: tcrlaf

I heard that the 79th Brigade tele-transported themselves back to Kiev.


5 posted on 07/23/2014 2:19:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
My understanding was (only from media sources) this Ukrainian Unit was surrounded on three sides, with Russia proper, to their backs. I suspect they would rather take chances with Russians, than Russian Separatists whom they'd been fighting for some time now...

Assuming of course this report is true.

6 posted on 07/23/2014 2:20:12 PM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Exactly right! The Russians are just doing what the “West” has done several times — enforcing a “no-fly” zone.

(Please note: I am in no way excusing the downing of passenger jets.)


7 posted on 07/23/2014 2:22:35 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 1rudeboy

Tele-transported? when did the United Federation of Planets get involved?

CC


8 posted on 07/23/2014 2:25:10 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Not UFP, George Soros. (I’m just having a little fun with the Twitter Brigade).


9 posted on 07/23/2014 2:28:43 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cripplecreek
military planes are going to be a legitimate target

One interesting hypothesis is that a Ukranian fighter jet wasn't just flying near the path of the passenger plane, the cowards were using it for cover.

Two of their planes being shot down since the passenger plane went down gives credence to that argument. So does the deaths of civilians in Luhansk after the passenger plane went down, during what was supposed to be a cease fire.

10 posted on 07/23/2014 2:29:36 PM PDT by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not a fair fight anyways. Ukraine has (or had) an air force. Those who are seeking their independence don’t. The separatist did capture one plane I believe.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 2:32:33 PM PDT by McGruff (If you tell a lie often enough the weak minded will accept it to be truth.)
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To: McGruff

Why don’t you ask the pilots of the planes being shot down if the fight is “fair.”


12 posted on 07/23/2014 2:36:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cripplecreek

“Military planes are going to be a legitimate target.”

Kiev first tried to say that these were taken down FROM Russia, by a BUK. Now they have backed off of that, saying manpads.

The rebels are claiming one downed by AA fire, and one downed by MANPAD.


13 posted on 07/23/2014 2:38:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Why don’t you ask the pilots of the planes being shot down if the fight is “fair.””

Does the same apply to the people these pilots bombed and strafed??


14 posted on 07/23/2014 2:40:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania

“One interesting hypothesis is that a Ukranian fighter jet wasn’t just flying near the path of the passenger plane, the cowards were using it for cover.”

You will note that today’s releases of info about the shoot-down, never mentioned the fighter that the Russians claimed was near the Malaysian airliner.

They didn’t mention it at all, yay or nay, which really makes me wonder what the Russians will say tomorrow, after the cockpit voice recorder gets released.


15 posted on 07/23/2014 2:45:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
President of the United State and NATO allies calls for him to rein in the pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

Apparently these separatists actually want to win, so they are not hamstrung by the sissy-boy Rules of Engagement the 0bama Regime imposes on our troops; they can actually shoot at the other side and fighter jets are not the same as an airliner.

16 posted on 07/23/2014 2:47:53 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: tcrlaf; caww

Here this is for you — the jig is up on your BUK denials:

Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184132/posts


17 posted on 07/23/2014 2:54:38 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Do try to keep up...

Khodakovsky has already denied that he told Reuters anything about Buks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axFfWcL68sA


18 posted on 07/23/2014 2:58:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania
Two of their planes being shot down since the passenger plane went down gives credence to that argument.

Have another shot of vodka -- with reasoning like that you will need it.

19 posted on 07/23/2014 2:59:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017273394.html


20 posted on 07/23/2014 3:00:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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