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Lindsey Graham: NSA data collection 'not Fourth Amendment' issue
http://washingtonexaminer.com/lindsey-graham-nsa-data-collection-not-fourth-amendment-issue/article/2543942 ^ | 2/12/14 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 06/04/2014 11:43:50 AM PDT by cotton1706

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., panned a lawsuit against National Security Agency data collection filed by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., saying that the bulk phone data collection program does not involve the Fourth Amendment.

"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," Graham told the Washington Examiner. "It's not being used to prosecute anybody. This is an intelligence-gathering process and we'll leave it up to the courts to see if it somehow has violated the Fourth Amendment."

Paul told reporters that the program conflicts directly with the Fourth Amendment. "I just want you to go to a judge, have a person's name, and individualize their warrant," he said, explaining that he doesn't oppose spying or the National Security Agency's ability to review some phone records. "That's what the Fourth Amendment says. I'm not against going to an individual who we suspect, with a warrant, and getting their phone records, and then if they called 100 people, I'm not against looking at those people."

The lawsuit drew mixed reactions in the Senate. Virginia Democrat Tim Kaine said that the NSA program needs some curtailing, but suggested that the real problem lies with the nature of the authorization for the use of military force that provides the legal backdrop for what used to be called the war on terror.

"I think most of the problems with these programs come from the fact that we have an open-ended authorization of the use of military force, so that the declaration of war that was passed by Congress after 9/11 is not limited in time or geography,"

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1 posted on 06/04/2014 11:43:50 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Yeah, you’ve got nothing to fear if you’ve done nothing wrong.


2 posted on 06/04/2014 11:44:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: cotton1706

‘Nother day and a “nother Constitution shredder.


3 posted on 06/04/2014 11:44:51 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: cotton1706

Miss Lindsay LOVES big guv and WOULD NOT have like The Founders.

I pray the flaming crypto-liberal homo is soon voted out.


4 posted on 06/04/2014 11:50:03 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: cotton1706
"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," Graham told the Washington Examiner.

Of course that same argument could be extended to any and all of our rights.

5 posted on 06/04/2014 11:54:23 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: cotton1706
"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack. It's not being used to prosecute anybody."

Oh, OK Mr. Graham.
We'll tap your cell phone and record everything you say - but we won't "use it" unless we hear you plot terrorism.

That's OK with you, right?

Now I know the NSA isn't actually recording words (as I understand it) - yet - but I wonder what ol' Lindsey would have to say to that?

6 posted on 06/04/2014 11:55:42 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: FoxInSocks

It was Ben Franklin who said that if you trade liberty for security, you end up with neither.


7 posted on 06/04/2014 11:56:24 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: cotton1706

Lindsay Graham has Potomac Fever. The only known cure is retirement.


8 posted on 06/04/2014 11:59:12 AM PDT by Iced Tea Party (Libertarians are essentially what the Republicans were 30 years ago. --Drew Carey)
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To: cotton1706
"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack,"

Reasonng like that can justify ANY and ALL acts.

"I think molesting Jewish pre-schoolers is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," said Lindsay Graham.

See?

9 posted on 06/04/2014 12:03:27 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: cotton1706
"I think collecting data is not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack," Graham told the Washington Examiner. "It's not being used to prosecute anybody."

BS!

The NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA. And the DEA is covering it up

The Drug Enforcement Administration has been the recipient of multiple tips from the NSA. DEA officials in a highly secret office called the Special Operations Division are assigned to handle these incoming tips, according to Reuters. Tips from the NSA are added to a DEA database that includes "intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records." This is problematic because it appears to break down the barrier between foreign counterterrorism investigations and ordinary domestic criminal investigations.

Because the SOD's work is classified, DEA cases that began as NSA leads can't be seen to have originated from a NSA source.

So what does the DEA do? It makes up the story of how the agency really came to the case in a process known as "parallel construction."...

How about calling a spade a spade? It's a process known as LYING!
10 posted on 06/04/2014 12:03:40 PM PDT by Iced Tea Party (Libertarians are essentially what the Republicans were 30 years ago. --Drew Carey)
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To: FoxInSocks

Bing-O!


11 posted on 06/04/2014 12:04:00 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: cotton1706
not a Fourth Amendment activity if it's related to gathering intelligence to prevent a terrorist attack

That is scary.

Either scary stupid or scary arrogant.

But scary.

12 posted on 06/04/2014 12:06:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: cotton1706

Good old Linseed, kneepads securely attached.


13 posted on 06/04/2014 12:07:16 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: cotton1706
 photo Kennedy_zps2c11c5ea.jpg Proof out of his own mouth that he doesn't bother listening to or meet with true Conservatives.
14 posted on 06/04/2014 12:14:23 PM PDT by RetSignman
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To: cotton1706

“It’s not being used to prosecute anybody.”

Oh, well it must be perfectly alright then. You wouldn’t mind if we tap your phones without a warrant, would you Lindsay? We’re not going to use it to prosecute anybody...


15 posted on 06/04/2014 12:18:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cotton1706

Linda,Linda, Linda, what have the NSA got on you from your phone calls and computer? I mean we can guess, you being the studly example of manhood you aren’t.


16 posted on 06/04/2014 12:19:06 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: FoxInSocks

EXACTLY!! And that is EXACTLY what they have done the minute the horribly misnamed Patriot Act was signed into law.


17 posted on 06/04/2014 12:21:13 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: cotton1706

OK, so let’s say the current people don’t look at your data...

They still have it and are storing it.

There is absolutely nothing to stop a future tyranny from targeting people for their beliefs and using this data against them.

It should not be collected or kept.


18 posted on 06/04/2014 12:21:15 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: RetSignman
Too bad that Lindsey never spent a weekend drinking (among other things) with Ted Kennedy, and then rode in the passenger seat, while Ted drove along the waterfront.

Ted Kennedy epitomized the side of Massachusetts, which principled Conservatives, not only in the South, but here in the Midwest, despise. This sort of adulation says a lot about Lindsey--none of it acceptable to principled Americans.

William Flax

19 posted on 06/04/2014 12:22:38 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: cotton1706

remember the howling and protests when Bush wanted to spy on terrorists? somehow it is fine and dandy to spy on innocent American citizens


20 posted on 06/04/2014 12:28:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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