Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
Link Here with Video (2 mins 46 secs)
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She’s called herself between agnostic and atheist in times past. It’s good some women have been apart of this go round with her since she’s had a history of being backed into corners then casting aspersions on the motives of Christian male freepers who continued to pursue arguments with her. Some freepers have tried to chat her up which didn’t help anything.
So you do not check out the data supplied?
HMMMmmm...
Could you post these?
My seeing eye dog could then read them to me.
I would; but everything is SO confusing!!!
You see; I'm a Gentile, and...
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
Most?
Which ones are not?
Will you PLEASE go to the website?
Then you've not been listening.
Doesn't he always???
So why not drop your man made religion, and adopt the way that the Father provided, and that the Son said would prevail as long as the Earth remains?
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Heaven and Earth shall pass away but My words shall not pass away. JC
The Word of God shall stand beyond time and matter.
Made plans?
A person who is not quite sure they are right, might seek out the wisdom of the crowd to see if she is.
Because the way in which Jesus' biography is crafted to fit some of those requirements is very suspicious.
-Must be born in Bethlehem... but Jesus was from Nazareth. Ah, but through a strange quirk of fate, his heavily pregnant mother was compelled to travel almost 80 miles to take part in a census. There is no record in Josephus of a census, and even if there was, this isn't generally how they are conducted, and even if they were, one does not drag a pregnant woman across the country. And even if you did, why would the Romans conduct such a matter in Bethlehem and not Jerusalem? This is very suspicious.
-Cannot be descended from Solomon. Joseph was descended from Solomon... this is undoubtedly why Jesus claimed Joseph was not his real father. It would have disqualified him. Given the propensity for Greek and Roman heroes to be descended from gods, it was probably not as crazy sounding then. Just a way to avoid being declared ineligible for the position.
-Being born of a virgin wasn't one of the requirements. That "born of a virgin and called Emmanuel" (which Jesus was not called) was a sign of something else entirely.
All the rest of the so-called parallels are cherry-picked and after the fact. Things no Jew would recognize.
No, I’m not going to wade around the Jews for Jesus site. You know your way around it; take what’s important for our particular debate and put it here if you want me to see it.
You already asked me this and I answered you on post #639.
I could argue all these prophecies, just as others have here, but it wouldn't convince you regardless of the evidence given, at least it appears so at this time..... I say this because you are approaching Jesus from the position that Jesus was NOT accepted as the Messiah by the Jews rather than ask what was it that convinced the Jews He was the Messiah.
I do, however, find it interesting you're referencing Josephus as I understood you were not open to anything for reference outside and only the KJ version of the Bible. What's changed. (???)..... Am saying this since you'll look toward an historian, subject to his own leanings, yet you argue that the NT authors, many who actually lived and walked with Jesus, are somehow less reliable....It would certainly be logical to place more significance on those who were actually with Him.
But let me say that one doesn't have ‘to fit’ Jewish requirements to the Biography/Prophecies of Jesus. (Though this is a standard argument Jews are often taught)..... The Christian understanding from the Old Testament, 'when compared' with the details of Jesus’ words and actions (as recorded by the Jewish followers and writers of the New Testament), is a very reasonable one,.... and is actually a 'better' one than Jewish explanations of the relationship between the Suffering/Rejected messianic figure and the Victorious/Acclaimed messianic figure.....It wasn't just a Victorious Messiah Jews were seeking, the Jewish Leadership also understood He would suffer and be rejected.
Just as the OT taught and as Jewish teaching recognized identifying the Messiah was, and is still today, dependent on Israel changing her mind about Jesus, about truth, and about social justice. All which Jesus taught during His ministry....to the crowds...to the diciples...and to the individuals.
.....”I think that it partially has to do with their Collective sense of God some day saving their nation vs the individual accountability each man has before God”.....
I agree, which is also why it’s so important for the Jewish people to return to Israel to many of them. The event of Messiah will take place there.
You are correct..”the natural an doesn’t understand such love” God has for all men......but you see of course, that should Jews recognize their personal responsibiity before God, and according to their laws they have all failed which then it’s much easier to hold a “collective” mindset concerning Jesus Christ.
To them how could a loving God send anyone to a “burning fire pit”.
I enjoyed and very much appreciate your post, Caww. Thanks for pinging me.
I’ll add the following:
The precise date of the triumphal entry into Jerusalem of Messiah and His crucifixion were predicted in the Book of Daniel hundreds of years before their happening. Precision being to the very day, not year nor month, but to the day. Jesus fulfilled that prophecy, along with the many HUNDREDS besides. The problem the Jewish people face is that if Jesus was not the predicted Messiah, then the Book of Daniel was wrong … and there can be NO error in the The Book or the whole of it is wrong, meaning God broke His covenant – which He cannot do. Hence, the proposal by some that “Daniel” was written at a later date because it poses a real problem for Jews who deny Jesus as Messiah:
If Jesus was not Messiah predicted in Daniel: 1) The OT is wrong and if wrong in one part, wrong in total. (By their own standards, if one letter is off and no matter how long it took to copy the Tanakh, the whole thing is scrapped); or 2) no Messiah is forthcoming because the predicted date has long passed.
I’m trying to recall from the memory the Rabbi who left the note naming Messiah, but can’t at the moment. The note was to be opened one year after the Rabbi’s death. It stated, of course, that Jesus was indeed Messiah.
At any rate, if the precision of Daniel is not proof enough, I don’t believe there will be proof sufficient to convince a non-believer of Jesus being the predicted Messiah.
Warm Regards,
SC
Your insistence on inverting the meaning of Acts 15 is to your own eternal detriment.
Acts 15 was an instruction on how to reintroduce the dispersion of Israel to the Torah gently and effectively.
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They are contained in the first five books of his word.
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