Posted on 04/17/2014 4:34:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
Solving the illegal immigration problem should not be hard. No one knows how many foreign nationals are residing illegally in the United States -- estimates range from 11 million to 20 million. But everyone understands that it is an untenable situation that must be addressed.
The two extreme positions of the Left and Right probably have little public support -- on the one hand, blanket amnesties and open borders, and on the other, deportation of all foreign nationals who reside here without legal authorization.
Polls show that most Americans want something in between.
Close the border. Allow entry only to those who have legal permission. Ensure that employers hire only those foreign nationals who have valid green cards. Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.
Require that those residing here unlawfully pay a fine for breaking the law and wait in line until immigrants who followed the law are first processed. Reform legal immigration to make it ethnically blind and predicated on skill sets and education rather than on proximity to our borders or on family connections to those residing here unlawfully.
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Yep. Et tu, Victor?
Any BY THE WAY, I could CARE LESS what polling shows either way. The people being polled, for certain, have not thought it through. Tell them that their grand kids will be a living in a Third World nation if Amnesty passes, and THEN ask them if they support Amnesty.
The people polled simply want the issue to go away so they don’t have to hear all the “bickering” and they don’t really care which way it goes...so the questioner gets to direct them by the phrasing of the question.
(now I’ll calm down)
Taking the taxpayer-subsidized, “cheap” labor out of the equation would lead to sectors like agriculture to modernize more quickly, which would be a good thing. And for nasty work such as in slaughterhouses and chicken factories, there’d be a fair increase in wages that would also give more jobs to low-skill American workers.
There is no practical deportation plan that would eliminate illegal workers overnight, but vigorous deportation coupled with an aggressive e-verify program would take care of the bulk of the issue within a couple of years.
Yeah, some of those companies being subsidized by taxpayers would take a bit of a hit, but our real unemployment rate would go down and our increasing crisis in the skill level of our workforce would be significantly lessened.
If they are selectively enforcing this one, they'll selectively enforce a new one.
Enforce current law and we can discuss a new one.
I hear politicians say we need a “pathway to citizenship for illegals.”
How about I-35 south?
They don’t think so. They think any short term deportation program will crash the economy.
As pointed out, controlling the border, coasts, and visas is the only thing needed to fix this. We already have everything else in place that is necessary.
I don’t favor a door-to-door search for illegals, so the only realistic plan is simply attrition.
Your last sentence tells it all. What good is a deportation program if one illegal is deported and 10 other cross the border illegally. Total control of the border, coasts and visas is the key.
Well the reason that “Americans” polled that want something in between is probably because you’re polling Hispanics or the illegal immigrants themselves
Sorely needed, of course. Yet, The persistence and arrogance of the illegals must be factored in.
We must recognize that their outsized "sense of entitlement" can never be extinguished.....by any amendment.
The Third World has apparently coached and prepared their citizens to rip-off America and to send the money back home.....impoverished countries depend on American dollars to survive.
A US post office near the Mexican border was used by illegals to send gravy train money back home. It was so busy, the US govt had to add-on several trailers to handle the business.
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Amnesty is a Third World ticket to the endless gravy train---US taxpayers are forced to finance Third World pressure groups---all of them, lined up w/ their hands out for zillions in "foreign aid."
LYING IN WAIT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS---THESE IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ORGANIZED PRESSURE GROUPS INSIDE THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside)l Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela.
Exactly, and that’s why our politicians muddy the water, because they keep the current system and they don’t get border control. If they get an amnesty program without controlled border, coast, and visa, then they win that way, too.
They win by border/coast/visa control NOT happening.
My guess is that they’re more than happy with the status quo.
Aside from Globalists and anti-white leftist loons who is against deportation of foreign nationals in principle if not in practice?
The solution to the immigration problem is simple.
1. close the borders. Build a fence.
2. Deport aliens as caught.
3. Enforce employer sanctions vigorously.
4. Reunite families in their countries of origin.
5. End birthright citizenship
6 Close the borders.
VDH has jumped the shark. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here is amnesty. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create two choices: mass deportation or blanket amnesty. The former is obviously not practical operationally or politically so you are left with a blanket amnesty.
There are other alternatives. The lawbreakers did not get here overnight and won't leave overnight. Attrition thru enforcement works. There is no need or urgency to legalize the lawbreakers. When you reward something, you get more of it.
VDH is using the same arguments as the RINOs who supported the gang of 8 bill. It is surrender. And VDH fails to address the electoral impact of an amnesty or answer such questions as to whether those who are legalized will be able to sponsor their relatives to join them thru chain migration.
Very disappointing for the guy who authored Mexifornia.
VDH is mischaracterizing the position of our side, i.e., those of us supporting the Rule of Law. No responsible person is suggesting mass deportation. I have worked in the immigration reform movement for seven years, lobbying on the Hill and in Richmond.
How does ungoing deportation sound? Whenever an invader is arrested, applies for school admittance, jobs, credit, medical and other benefits....anything at all, they should be sent home never to be allowed back in the US. That policy should NEVER END and the problem will solve itself.
That's what US citizens, whose job, education, and safety net opportunities are being destroyed want. ALL of the politicians are just trying to sound good, but are in reality bought and paid for by the cheap labor whores.
I once thought this website was with constitutional conservatives.
This is where VDH supports amnesty.
The Chamber's argument is that the service, agriculture, and construction industries would collapse if illegals were "immediately removed." This, they say, would cause a depression level recession in the country until it was sorted out. They believe those industries are the location of so many illegals that it wouldn't be able to replace their jobs with able workers very quickly. They have a point. Any deportations, some of these people say, should take place over about a decade to allow for a gradual transition.
This is just BS. The Chamber of Commerce supports amnesty and the doubling of guest worker programs. They take jobs away from Americans and depress wages. With 21 million Americans looking for work or underemployed, there is no shortage of labor.
Still No Evidence of a Labor Shortage Immigrant and native employment in the fourth quarter of 2013
Congress is currently considering immigration reform packages that include work permits for those in the country illegally, as well as substantial increases in future legal immigration. Yet the latest employment data continue to show an enormous number of working-age Americans not working, particularly those with modest levels of education.
Among the findings:
In the fourth quarter of 2013, the standard unemployment rate (referred to as U-3) for native-born adults who have not completed high school was 16.6 percent, while for those with only a high school education it was 8.5. The U-3 unemployed are people who have looked for a job in the last four weeks.
The broader U-6 measure of unemployment — which includes those want to work, but have not looked recently, and those forced to work part-time — was 28.7 percent for native-born adults who have not completed high school and 16.5 percent for those with only a high school education.
The total number of native-born, working-age adults (18 to 65) of any education level not working (unemployed or out the labor force) was 50.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2012 — 8.8 million more than in the fourth quarter of 2007, and 14.7 million more than in the same quarter of 2000.
The share of working-age (18 to 65) natives holding a job has not recovered from the Great Recession. In the fourth quarter of 2013, 31 percent were not working, something that has barely improved in the last five years.
In the fourth quarter of 2013, there were only two working-age natives holding a job for every one that was not employed. This represents a huge deterioration. As recently as 2000, there were three working-age adults holding a job for every one not working.
As for those illegals already here, green cards and pathways to citizenship are irrelevant. There is already a green card and immigration program. If they want one, then have them do it according to the current system. Their turn will eventually come up from their own side of the border, and then they'll be legal.
As someone who has actually issued immigrant visas, most of them would not qualify for a tourist visa let alone a permanent immigrant visa. And there are four million intending legal immigrants waiting overseas for their turn to enter. They have completed all the paperwork, background investigations, physicals, etc.
>> You obviously didn’t bother to read the article <<
Welcome to FR!
I do believe that those concerns of a huge vacuum in certain jobs if an overnight deportation program were initiated. You can’t just fit any unemployed person into any job. It has to be the right fit, and that takes time.
However, my basic point is that total control of the border, coasts, and visas will take care of the illegal problem.
We don’t need any new laws about green cards, immigration rules, paths to citizenship, etc. Control entry and everything else falls into place.
They don’t want to lose the taxpayer subsidy for every artificially low-priced illegal they hire. So of course they project catastrophe for anything that threatens that.
I have no doubt there’s some whining going on. That doesn’t, however, change the basic fact that total control of borders, coasts, visas will fix this problem. Nothing else is necessary.
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