It truly baffles leftists that ANYONE would dare think they should resist illegitimate authority.
New alert suggestion: Useful idiot - props to V I Lenin.
Again: he had an understanding with the federal government to use our land.
The federal government then changed the rules on him, and gave very flimsy reasons for doing so.
He had a right to be displeased and to stand up for himself.
But now he is going deeper and deeper into Wesley Snipes lunatic land with his bogus constitutional and sovereignty theories that have no relationship with history or reality.
Except with voter fraud, national media in their corner, and Reid using the Senate floor to advance his agenda, what chance does the average citizen have for a voice in D.C.
Oh my goodness, I had no idea that Bundy was violating the “law” here! I suppose the Obama administration (including the Holder “Just-Us” department) will now finally begin following the law, just to show Bundy the error of his ways.
In the meantime could someone figure out how much we owe the British government for all the tea we illegally dumped in Boston harbor some years ago?We had better send them a check including interest right away!
It truly baffles leftists that ANYONE would dare think they should resist illegitimate authority.
Debra J. Saunders
Debra J. Saunders is a columnist for The San Francisco Chronicle. Debra Saunders has also written for The Wall Street Journal, The National Review, and Reader’s Digest. Debra Saunders is the author of the book The World According to Gore. Saunders is married to Wesley J. Smith, a lawyer, author and senior fellow in bioethics at the Discovery Institute.
“The BLM clearly can be accused of overreach, but who elected Bundy to be judge, jury and sheriff?”
When the government has proven to be incapable of restraining itself, “the people” have just shown they’ll step up and do the job for them.
The federal government IS WE THE PEOPLE. The PEOPLE own that land. The use of that land by cattlemen (some of the PEOPLE) for grazing costs WE THE PEOPLE exactly NOTHING! Therefore the federal government has no right to collect any such fee. The fees become part of the massive cauldron of waste and fraud.
Where the fedgov actually provides services, a fee can be justified, national parks for example. But the money should stay there rather than be appropriated by Washington for nefarious uses.
1776.
The history of the land in question, regarding its use, has been that it was open range.
That’s near-enough to being a town commons.
In the absence of the national public enumerating the procedures for using the land, then the local customs of the common law - for use of the commons - would prevail.
As such, the Bundy family and other ranchers continued to use the land as open range for generations.
Eventually, the federal bureaucracy and politicians and vested interests being who they all are ... they have been working thru legislation and the courts, to end the use of open range as a local commons.
That’s a hard thing for a long-established way of life to accept: a change from local customs to bureaucratic, yet even more heavy-handed-bureaucratic impositions that end the benefits of the traditional land use.
Re the land in question, Mr. Bundy is apparently the last man standing ... and resisiting ... the change from local, common conservation and use of the land ... to federal, heavy-handed control of the land.
Mr. Bundy feels that it is in his blood and in the blood of his community, that the trust he has upheld in conservation and use of the land, has been worthy. In addition, he objects to the heavy-handed-ness of the federal government’s methods.
I am certain, that there is no cause for the federal government to use force of arms.
The matter boils down to, how do we manage the boundaries between local oversight of the commons vs. national government oversight of the commons, for lands that are ostensibly national public property ... yet these lands are affectionately held by tradition in the local public’s trust?
Is it true that there used to be over 50 ranchers in that area? If so, what happened to them and why?
Why does a federal agency need U.S. military equipment?
What exactly is Harry Ried's involvement in this?
If Bundy has not paid since 1993, how come the Feds wait this long?
After last weekend with the BLM and the Cowboys, how long do you think it will be before the Rodeo Clowns are wearing Obama masks again.
Perhaps the Cowboys should be on horseback wearing the White Hats with Obama masks the next time BLM shows up at the Bundy ranch.
You heard it hear first. :)
68 posted on Tue Apr 15 09:21:09 2014 by Balata (Obama is a Lying Fraud, and so are his followers!)
Another city slicker who doesn’t know a thing about ranching.
Where does SHE think her beef dinner comes from? those cows don’t raise themselves & they don’t all find a McDonald’s every morning & go commit suicide on the doorstep and magically turn into hamburger patties. The also don’t find themselves on the doorstep of a grocery store or a high end restaurant, either.
She asks why Harry Reid gets re-elected over & over again? It isn’t from Northern Nevada!! She needs to investigate closer why people all over the country are fraudulently voting. Harry gets re-elected with illegals voting & union members voting and many of them voting multiple times.. with glee! Where does she think that ACORN was so busy??? Las Vegas!! Clark County, Nevada, is rife with illegals. That might enlighten her as to the quality of Harry Reid-—and his whole family.
And don’t tell me that ACORN is no longer—they just splintered into many smaller parts—they are still very active with voter fraud. In the 2008 elections here in Nevada, ACORN got caught turning in 400,000 fraudulent voter registrations. There were only about 2,500,000 total residents in the state-—TOTAL. It took the state AG over 2 years to ‘investigate’ and she finally fined ACORN a whopping $5,000. That amounts to 1.25 CENTS per fraudulent registration!!
How many votes got thru from registrations they did ‘catch’? Do some stronger investigating, Saunders. You just might raise your own profile.
His son is representing a Chinese company that wants to build a solar farm in that valley!! Can you connect the dots, Debra?
The brand new head of the BLM is a person who was an aide to Harry Reid for 9 years!! He was just confirmed about a week ago!! Connect the dots!! You call yourself a reporter? Find out some facts!!
Harry is also involved with the Southern Nevada Water Authority in taking water by pipeline from the eastern half of Nevada to Las Vegas. The SNWA has bought up every available ranch for sale in the past 20 years to take away the water rights. Such rights go back to 1852 with many court adjudications. Harry wants a 490 mile pipeline to move that water which will make eastern Nevada another dust bowl. What exactly is the hydrological aquifer in that valley & surrounds? What water is under Bundy’s ranch? how come he is the last rancher who hasn’t sold out??
How easily would YOU sell a ranch that YOUR ancestors started over 150 years ago??? What would be YOUR price of leaving??? Where would be YOUR line in the sand???
Apparently, more than just Bundy think there IS a line in the sand. Lots of people were there this past weekend, and lots more are willing to support Bundy again.
IF you think you as a consumer don’t need Nevada & it’s agriculture, you are clueless about how may tons of hay are grown here which feed dairy cows in other places. What do you use on your kids cereal, Debra? champagne??? What do you use for cooking? Or do you just always make ‘reservations’??
Get a clue, America!!! The Feds & the BLM are out of control. They spent over $3 million to harass Bundy & go after $1 million in grazing fees they say he owes. Also- They cut his grazing allotment down to where they were only allowing him 250 cows on 260,000 acres!!! Do the math! That is over 1000 acres PER COW!! It is also not enough cows to run the ranch profitably. That kind of land/cow ratio is nuts!!!
Harry Reid is a person with a very checkered past. His whole family follows in his footsteps.
Perhaps Saunders would like to turn into a REAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER and look hard into all the questionable land deals & swaps that Harry has been in the middle of.
Keep in mind that the BLM & it’s sister groups, the US Forest, etc., shut Americans & tourists out of all American PUBLIC places during the ‘shutdown’ last October. They spent millions of dollars preventing us from PAYING to get into such sites, costing them more loss of income.
Ask the tour bus driver who paid her permit during the shutdown the day before she took people into Yellowstone Park —(they took her money) & she was prevented from taking them to the geysers. The tourists were restricted to their hotel in Yellowstone for 2 days & even on the long trip out of the park, they were prevented from even using the rest areas until they were out of the park. But they sure kept her permit money!!! Some of the Japanese tourists thought they were under arrest!!!
That sure was a helpful move for our economy—doncha think, Debra??
There were 50 more ranchers in the same area of the Bundy ranch. ALL the others have sold out. Bundy is definately and literally the LAST MAN STANDING. He is to be praised.
His family owned that land long before the BLM declared themselves in charge of things, and long before the BLM was made up our of whole cloth.
In Nevada, the BLM & the Feds control OVER 84% of the total land mass.
How about your state, Saunders? How much of your state produces not one red cent of property tax because it is controlled by the Feds & as a resident, you have to PAY to go onto public land????? How about begging the local BLM agent for a permit to hold any kind of organized event, while loose bands of motorcycles blast all over the place? How? THEY are NOT ‘organized’!! They never require a permit!!
Tell me about how there is such a sluggish economy and then blockade a perfectly well run event using desert trails & roads. Every one of those competitors buys fuel, an entry, food, receives a finishing award, and professional persons are hired to control the event. Keep choking off all these events & you cripple the economy even further. All of this is on “PUBLIC LAND”.!!
Don’t tell me this isn’t true-—
I LIVE HERE!!!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24545747/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/sharpton-owes-nearly-million-back-taxes/
And how are they treating him about this debt?
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The voters that sent Reid to D.C. are mostly from the shady side of citizenship including illegal immigrants and their enablers.
Something motivated the government to go after this guy after all that time, and I think Harry Reid knows the answer.
We citizens (subjects?) 'own' it and LET the gummint run it!
Shove it Saunders, you became irrelavent years ago.
It’s funny listening to idiots like this who would be counted among the loyalist if this was 1774-1776.
“Threatening to shoot law enforcement officers who simply are carrying out court orders is not”
Well except for the problem that BLM forest rangers and hired mercs are not law enforcement officers. What they are is the civilian national defense force Obumble has been talking about.