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Police seizing cellphones: A civil-rights dispute
orlandosentinel ^ | March 19, 2014 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 03/20/2014 7:28:41 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

You're walking down the sidewalk and see police officers making an arrest. They're using force, and the man they're arresting is protesting. You pull out your cellphone and start recording.

An officer orders you to stop, says you're breaking the law. He demands that you hand over your phone.

What should you do? Are you breaking the law?No, according to local lawyers, as long as you were in a public place and not interfering with the officer or his investigation.

"You have an absolute right to videotape an officer or anyone else on the street," said Howard Marks, an Orlando attorney who specializes in civil-rights cases. "Law-enforcement officers don't like being taped. That's tough luck."The issue has become a growing civil-rights dispute, the result of smartphone proliferation.

It has transformed a dispute that used to involve a relatively small number of people — news photographers — into one that has the potential to put cops at odds with any bystander with a cellphone.

It has prompted arrests, disputes and lawsuits across the country, including:

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; florida; recording; video
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"Law-enforcement officers don't like being taped,why wonder this be so ?
1 posted on 03/20/2014 7:28:41 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

“It’s the Phone Cops, Man.”


2 posted on 03/20/2014 7:29:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Get a Justin-TV account and don't just record the deed - broadcast it.

That way you can give them your cell phone and its recovery will be a separate issue - the recording is up on Justin.TV servers and available for download and YouTube.

4 posted on 03/20/2014 7:33:03 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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Smart phones need a feature that can immediately stream your pictures and video to an online server (cloud, youtube) as you are taking them. This way the cops can’t erase the content of what you have recorded. Maybe that already exists.


5 posted on 03/20/2014 7:34:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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... yet governments install countless cameras to photograph us, and indeed some government agencies even hack into our computers and use our own computer cameras to spy upon us, at home! Where I live, every time traffic signal work is done at an intersection, 4 cameras go up, one pointing in each direction of the intersection. Hypocrisy and double standards abound. It's time cops started facing criminal charges for denying civil rights.
6 posted on 03/20/2014 7:35:12 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: moonshinner_09

https://openwatch.net/


7 posted on 03/20/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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officer orders you to stop, says you're breaking the law.

Amazingly, apparently, there is no law against a LEO lying to a citizen. Nor is lying even considered unethical to them. In fact a good lie is considered good police work.

8 posted on 03/20/2014 7:36:48 AM PDT by DManA
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To: circlecity

https://openwatch.net/


9 posted on 03/20/2014 7:37:19 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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Law-enforcement officers don't like being taped,why wonder this be so ?

Taping typically starts after what caused it has happened. Folks run to the news saying police abuse. Then the officer prays he or she was on his dash-cam, because if not the paperwork is going to be horrendous and the officers life and family life is going to be turned upside down.

So say the officer has done the right thing all the way. Given the reasons and the multiple warnings before a take down. The perp gets taken down and out come the smartphones. The media will salatiously run with it never asking what was the reason or how many warnings were given. The officer gets put in a bad light no matter what he or she does.

Just a thought, never poke that smartphone in an officers face or way. Stay way off to the side and out of the way. It just might save you a world of hassle.

10 posted on 03/20/2014 7:41:45 AM PDT by sr4402
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First thing. LOCK YOUR PHONE!!!!

Second thing. If you are filming a LEO doing anything, make sure that before he gets within 6 feet of you, turn off your phone so that it is LOCKED.

Third thing. If he demands that you erase or show him anything on the phone, tell him “yeah, I’ll pass that onto my lawyer who will get back with you. Also, what is your full name and badge number so that I can give it to him.”


11 posted on 03/20/2014 7:42:22 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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Does that instantly put the video in a remote storage location?


12 posted on 03/20/2014 7:43:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Cops do what they are told. They have no ability to make intelligent decisions. It’s the corrupt administrations that are breaking the law.


13 posted on 03/20/2014 7:44:26 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s twisted pretzel logic that allows for anyone to be photographed/taped in public, yet disallows citizens the right to photograph/tape law enforcement officers in public.


14 posted on 03/20/2014 7:44:56 AM PDT by Reddy (bo stinks)
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Smart phones need a feature that can immediately stream your pictures and video to an online server

Justin.TV
Ustream

Both have apps to run on your phone.

Probably others.

15 posted on 03/20/2014 7:50:10 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Cops, dumber than the dogs they shoot.


16 posted on 03/20/2014 7:52:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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It is really a civil liberties infringement. Your liberties are based upon natural law--and flow from the realities of Creation. "Civil Rights," are the new "rights" created by civil governments, and are usually at least partially in derogation of your natural rights--or liberties.

There is no way that your right to record what you see is dependent upon legislation.

William Flax

17 posted on 03/20/2014 7:56:50 AM PDT by Ohioan
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I looked up that app... the one review said to never use it, it was a pile of fail.

And, I am a bit suspect of it as well. How do I know it isn’t recording when I don’t want it to?


18 posted on 03/20/2014 8:01:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: moonshinner_09

The instant a cop asks for your phone or your camera, congratulations you now live in a police state. But don’t listen to me, we need to bow down to our freindly jack booted oppressors and trust that they know better than we do and are only protecting us from having too much freedom.


19 posted on 03/20/2014 8:02:02 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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Seems like there’s a 4th Amendment aspect having to do with what else is on your smart phone besides the embarrassing video. Does anyone really believe that, while they have it, the cops won’t look through your stored pictures, copy your Contacts list and phone log, etc.?


20 posted on 03/20/2014 8:05:00 AM PDT by RhoTheta (US foreign policy under BO: “Talk butchly and carry a small twig.” -- Steyn)
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