Posted on 02/26/2014 6:50:47 PM PST by lbryce
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill Wednesday that would have allowed businesses that asserted their religious beliefs the right to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.
Opinions have been sharply divided over the politically charged measure, with both sides ramping up pressure on Brewer after the state's Republican-led Legislature approved the bill last week.
Brewer said she made the decision she knew was right for Arizona.
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Thank you MadMax. Well said and right on point.
There is a difference between discrimination out of malice, which is not a Christian value, and refusing service if providing such service causes a violation of conscious for the provider.
Its really pretty simple.
The NFL, and their fawning Media, need to be put back where they belong. They made Arizona adopt a MLK jr holiday and now a gay victory in business. I’ll bet the NFL has big trouble with the gay and “N-word” issues this year. The NFL could use a little nose twisting and maybe suffer some legal judgements for their intrusions into politics/culture.
Hmmmm since you are not comparing apples and apples....
Being part of the KKK one would NEVER EVER ask an African American baker to do anything for them.
It is not explicitly stated in Jewish theology that one should not bake a cake for someone who hates you. And again no neo-NAZI would ever ask a Jew to bake for him.
Why shouldn’t a homosexual bake a cake for a Christian celebration?
Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?
Business is business. Baking a cake in exchange for money is what a baker does. It hardly violates their beliefs to do so with two male figures on top of the cake. Does this bake routinely ask if the couple getting married has had sex before marriage? Or if they are devout Christians? or if they are unequally yoked? Or if they have been living in sin before the nuptials?
Selective theology is a bad thing
Good works require PEOPLE to be involved. You act as if ALL of the church’s donations would go to the government. You know that is not true.
If you need the tax exemption then what you are saying is that the government ALLOWS you to be a church. There are plenty of places through out the world where the government is actively anti-church, and yet the church thrives.
You need to broaden your vision
>> Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?
Why should any particular Christian baker BE FORCED TO bake a cake for a homo?
Can’t the faggot just find a different baker to cater to his perversion?
It is not about whether clients or customers are sinners. It’s about being forced to denigrate what to many religious people is a sacrament and one of the pillars of civilization. What’s so hard to understand?
Good point. I remember here in Houston when the coach of The Rice University football team ruffled some feathers by saying he didn't want homosexuals on the football team. He gave as his reason that 'homosexuality is a sin'. However, I wondered at the time if he had a problem with the likely sin of his straight players having premarital sex with young co-eds.
Don’t get sidetracked by the gay issue. Obama and his minions are already way ahead of us, working on the next scenario of taking rights away from Christians. The gays are too stupid to realize they are merely being used.
That and the underaged drinking and probably some drug use and let’s not forget the cheating on exams so they can make the grade point requirement. Hypocrisy comes in many forms
Why shouldn’t a Christian baker bake a cake for a homosexual wedding?
...well, because they don’t feel like doing so...which is the issue here, that the baker is being challenged on a business decision that is not impinging on the lesbians’ opportunity to have the cake produced at some other bakery...that it has come to the point when a bill is required to allow a business to make business decisions, good or bad, without facing undue government suasion, is insane...
IF they were going to bake the cake UNTIL they found out that it was for a homosexual couple then my comments still stand.
IF they were booked or too busy or just didn’t feel like taking another order (regardless of who was ordering) then you might have a point
I'm having a little problem understanding your response. I gather you think it's wrong for the religious bakers to deny a cake to the homosexual couple. Correct me if I'm wrong.
But would it be wrong for a Jewish bakery to refuse to bake a cake for a Nazi, Klan, or some other obnoxious group ceremony? Remember, all those groups, like the homosexuals, have rights under the constitution.
If a baker has to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding against his or hers religious beliefs, they have to bake one for anybody who wants one for any reason.
Believe it or not churches need money to operate. Salaries for staff. Utility bills to keep the lights and heat on. Budgets for missions abroad. Food programs for the needy. Outreach programs in the inner city. It all takes money,
Currently they are granted non-profit status precisely because of the work they do in their communities.
Take that status away and a good portion of their tithes would go to paying property taxes and income taxes, instead of what they are currently spending them on - charity.
Go ahead and disagree if you want. I'm done.
What about those establishments that would post signs like “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone at Anytime.” — there’s no rationale (other than property rights perhaps) to justify this cut & dry “discrimination.” Have these ever been the target of such intense litigation?
Good time for devout and out Christians to show up en masse to gay bars and other businesses and see what happens
You misunderstand the legislation and the issue behind it.
This was driven by gay activists trying to force business owners to perform services for specifically gay functions and events, not supporting general refusal of services based on perceived sexual orientation.
The photographers, bakers and others at the heart of this have not indicated any reluctance to serve gay customers, but drew the lines at facilitating gay weddings. As a Jew, it would be like a Christian forcing you to perform a service for a specifically Christian function, even if it was against your beliefs as a Jew. If you, for instance, ran a deli, it would be like forcing you to provide pork products for a confirmation celebration.
This was not the right thing. It was a shredding of first amendment rights.
How the heck do you know? But it doesn't have to be Jews. Many people dislike Nazis and would normally have nothing to do with them. But under this new law, whoever ran the bakery would have to bake the Nazi cake whether they detested the Nazis or not. Pandora's box.
IF they were going to bake the cake UNTIL they found out that it was for a homosexual couple then my comments still stand.
...that is, in fact, the situation here...perhaps you could address my comment about a business facing governmental sanction by engaging in a perfectly legal business decision, and one in which the only negative result is to the business itself...again, this is the issue here...
...of course, if you believe it is the purview of a government to force a business to contract with specific individuals, then your comments stand as stated...
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