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Audi Says Synthetic 'E-Fuel' From Microorganisms Is Better Than Gas Or Diesel
forbes ^ | 1/31/2014 @ 11:58PM | Matthew de Paula,

Posted on 02/19/2014 2:00:54 PM PST by ckilmer

Hydrogen and natural gas are among the alternative fuels starting to get more attention as car companies work to reduce emissions. But Audi is exploring yet another option that you may not have heard much about yet: e-fuels.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Germany
KEYWORDS: audi; biodiesel; biofuel; ethanol; germany; johnpodesta; joule; jouleunlimited; jouleunlimitedtech; opec; podesta; volkswagen
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To: ckilmer

Joule Unlimited

Is the company publically traded?


21 posted on 02/19/2014 2:43:47 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bookmark


22 posted on 02/19/2014 2:44:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: right way right

imho more energy independence and cheaper energy prices = less tyranny.


23 posted on 02/19/2014 2:45:52 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: KarlInOhio
That would be 4.8 million acres at 25 mpg or a little less than a fifth of Ohio.

Just the Gulf of Mexico has 384 million acres. Microbes containing oil probably float, and there's plenty of free farm fertilizer runoff. The final replacement for petroleum will probably involve the open ocean because that's where all the energy in petroleum originally came from.

24 posted on 02/19/2014 2:51:41 PM PST by Reeses
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To: KarlInOhio
Detroit would be a good place to build an e-fuel 'farm'. How many acres are vacant now? A win-win. Detroit could be useful again, the city could start receiving tax revenue from the 'farm' and the 'Big Three' ('Tre Grandi' for Chrysler/Fiat) could test such fuels in their new vehicles. Employment could rise in the 'hood and welfare drop.

Won't ever happen though. Detroit City is too addicted to government handouts, like the Province of Quebec, here in Canada. The powers that be that run such places would lose their power base, if their voters were freed of welfare. Kinda like Washington, District Cesspool!

25 posted on 02/19/2014 2:52:25 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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To: ckilmer
"$1.28 per gallon"

I'm down wid dat.

26 posted on 02/19/2014 3:02:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: The Great RJ
This means fewer miles per gallon....

I'd rather see the metric of fuel cost per each mile driven. Granted, this will vary from vehicle to vehicle, but match vehicle size/weight and just change out the fuel used, in order to generate the metric.

27 posted on 02/19/2014 3:02:49 PM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: 4Speed

The process does not require land, it requires a surface exposed to sunlight, which could be warehouse rooftops, vacant lots in urban areas (not Detroit, it is too cold for this process to work much of the year), or even floating islands in the Gulf of Mexico.

Or maybe the Everglades, if it could be assured that the system would be highly unlikely to rupture and spill hydrocarbons all over the environment.

How about repurposing brownfields or hazardous waste sites?


28 posted on 02/19/2014 3:24:09 PM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: Mr. K
I have been eyeing an Audi Q7 but I feel a sincere sense of loyalty to Honda for the last 4 absolutely trouble-free cars I have gotten from them.

My last five cars,listed chronologically,have been Japanese,Japanese,German,German,German.

The two Japanese cars were absolutely trouble free...not a single unscheduled service visit over 100K miles (combined).But then I fell in love with diesel which required a switch to Germany.A few problems with the German cars,annoying for sure but I got free loaners each time.

My experience,in short,is...the Japanese win for reliability,the Germans win for "fun" (among other things).

29 posted on 02/19/2014 3:36:43 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama: "I can do whatever I want")
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To: Paladin2

yeah, me too. I even understand how they can get to that number — even if it is before taxes.

But it might get better with big volume. I’ve heard them say in years past that they think they can cut their costs in half when they scale up their volumes.


30 posted on 02/19/2014 3:43:47 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: 4Speed
Someone know how man cars in the USA, we could see if we had enough land....

This is this stuff of Huffers' dreams.

31 posted on 02/19/2014 3:44:16 PM PST by Rudder
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To: scooby321

Let’s fire up the Quattro...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ceykLZDKA


32 posted on 02/19/2014 3:47:07 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: alloysteel

As with solar energy, the best location is on the Equator at a high elevation with neglible cloud cover. That would be Quito, Ecuador. The economics would be several times better than Arizona.


33 posted on 02/19/2014 4:13:22 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: Red Badger; F15Eagle

Ten years ago the researchers were guesstimating 10,000 gallons an acre. That was a very loose back of the envelope figure for a technology that was still in the lab phase and nowhere near commercialization. The order of magnitude is right.


34 posted on 02/19/2014 4:21:06 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Kennard

John Podesta is a director of Joule Unlimited.


35 posted on 02/19/2014 4:28:21 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: ckilmer

Has PETA taken a position on this senseless slaughter of billions of innocent animals?


36 posted on 02/19/2014 4:40:51 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: Kennard
Concerning the best location, here is an article that describes how insolation, sometimes referred to as irradiation, varies by latitude, elevation and climate.
37 posted on 02/19/2014 5:28:28 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: ckilmer

Does anybody know what to look for if you are interested in investing in this product? TY


38 posted on 02/19/2014 5:33:58 PM PST by marmar ((Although, I may look different then you....my blood still runs..RED, WHITE, & BLUE. RETIRED USAF))
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To: ckilmer

Uhhhh. Haven’t we been told for generations that oil IS the result of micro-organisms??? Heaven forbid oil is a naturally occurring substance and renewable.


39 posted on 02/19/2014 6:58:17 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: marmar

I don’t think they’re a public company


40 posted on 02/19/2014 7:31:36 PM PST by ckilmer
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