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Barf! Subtle Distortion in Universe's Oldest Light: Swirls in Remnants of Big Bang
Science Daily ^ | Dec. 13, 2013

Posted on 01/05/2014 8:22:25 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst

South Pole Telescope scientists have detected for the first time a subtle distortion in the oldest light in the universe, which may help reveal secrets about the earliest moments in the universe's formation.

The scientists observed twisting patterns in the polarization of the cosmic microwave background -- light that last interacted with matter very early in the history of the universe, less than 400,000 years after the big bang. These patterns, known as "B modes," are caused by gravitational lensing, a phenomenon that occurs when the trajectory of light is bent by massive objects, much like a lens focuses light.

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (Catholic Online) -- Intelligent Design reduces and belittles God’s power and might, according to the director of the Vatican Observatory. Science is and should be seen as “completely neutral” on the issue of the theistic or atheistic implications of scientific results, says Father George V. Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, while noting that “science and religion are totally separate pursuits.” Father Coyne is scheduled to deliver the annual Aquinas Lecture on “Science Does Not Need God, or Does It? A Catholic Scientist Looks at Evolution” at Palm Beach Atlantic University, an interdenominational Christian university of about 3,100 students, here Jan. 31. The talk is sponsored by the Newman Club, and scheduled in conjunction with the Jan. 28 feast of St. Thomas Aquinas. Catholic Online received an advance copy of the remarks from the Jesuit priest-astronomer, who heads the Vatican Observatory, which has sites at Castel Gandolfo, south of Rome, and on Mount Graham in Arizona. Christianity is “radically creationist,” Father George V. Coyne said, but it is not best described by the “crude creationism” of the fundamental, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis or by the Newtonian dictatorial God who makes the universe tick along like a watch. Rather, he stresses, God acts as a parent toward the universe, nurturing, encouraging and working with it. In his remarks, he also criticizes the cardinal archbishop of Vienna’s support for Intelligent Design and notes that Pope John Paul’s declaration that “evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis” is “a fundamental church teaching” which advances the evolutionary debate. He calls “mistaken” the belief that the Bible should be used “as a source of scientific knowledge,” which then serves to “unduly complicate the debate over evolution.” And while Charles Darwin receives most of the attention in the debate over evolution, Father Coyne said it was the 18th-century French naturalist Georges Buffon, condemned a hundred years before Darwin for suggesting that “it took billions of years to form the crust of the earth,” who “caused problems for the theologians with the implications that might be drawn from the theory of evolution.” He points to the “marvelous intuition” of Roman Catholic Cardinal John Henry Newman who said in 1868, “the theory of Darwin, true or not, is not necessarily atheistic; on the contrary, it may simply be suggesting a larger idea of divine providence and skill.” Pope John Paul Paul II, he adds, told the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1996 that “new scientific knowledge has led us to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis.” He criticizes Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schonborn of Vienna for instigating a “tragic” episode “in the relationship of the Catholic Church to science” through the prelate’s July 7, 2005, article he wrote for the New York Times that “neo-Darwinian evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine,” while the Intelligent Design theory is. Cardinal Schonborn “is in error,” the Vatican observatory director says, on “at least five fundamental issues.” “One, the scientific theory of evolution, as all scientific theories, is completely neutral with respect to religious thinking; two, the message of John Paul II, which I have just referred to and which is dismissed by the cardinal as ‘rather vague and unimportant,’ is a fundamental church teaching which significantly advances the evolution debate; three, neo-Darwinian evolution is not in the words of the cardinal, ‘an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection;’ four, the apparent directionality seen by science in the evolutionary process does not require a designer; five, Intelligent Design is not science despite the cardinal’s statement that ‘neo-Darwinism and the multi-verse hypothesis in cosmology [were] invented to avoid the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science,’” Father Coyne says. Christianity is “radically creationist” and God is the “creator of the universe,” he says, but in “a totally different sense” than creationism has come to mean. “It is unfortunate that, especially here in America, creationism has come to mean some fundamentalistic, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis,” he stresses. “It is rooted in a belief that everything depends upon God, or better, all is a gift from God. The universe is not God and it cannot exist independently of God. Neither pantheism nor naturalism is true.” He says that God is not needed to explain the “scientific picture of life’s origins in terms of religious belief.” “To need God would be a very denial of God. God is not a response to a need,” the Jesuit says, adding that some religious believers act as if they “fondly hope for the durability of certain gaps in our scientific knowledge of evolution, so that they can fill them with God.” Yet, he adds, this is the opposite of what human intelligence should be working toward. “We should be seeking for the fullness of God in creation.” Modern science reveals to the religious believer “God who made a universe that has within it a certain dynamism and thus participates in the very creativity of God,” Father Coyne says, adding that this view of creation is not new but can be found in early Christian writings, including from those of St. Augustine. “Religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly.” He proposes to describe God’s relationship with the universe as that of a parent with a child, with God nurturing, preserving and enriching its individual character. “God should be seen more as a parent or as one who speaks encouraging and sustaining words.” He stresses that the theory of Intelligent Design diminishes God into “an engineer who designs systems rather than a lover.” “God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world which reflects that freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater complexity,” he said. “God lets the world be what it will be in its continuous evolution. He does not intervene, but rather allows, participates, loves.” The concludes his prepared remarks noting that science challenges believers’ traditional understanding of God and the universe to look beyond “crude creationism” to a view that preserves the special character of both. - - - Copyright © 2006 by Catholic Online (www.catholic.org). All Rights Reserved.
21 posted on 01/05/2014 9:01:20 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DBrow

You are naive. These are atheist scientists trying to prove that the universe is godless. I don’t want to pay for that.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 9:02:48 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: sauron

God might reply, study My Creation,
I have made it Understandable
I have Given you Reason and Logic

One might say that we Honor God by Honoring His Creation
By Studying it and using it Prudently.
We Honor God by being Good Stewards of
the Gifts of Logic and Reason.

Always Honoring the Giver of the Gifts
In all Gratitude and Humility.
And Knowing that ALL is Freely Given Gifts.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 9:03:09 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Vaquero

Clearly God didnt like your post as HE made it unreadable


24 posted on 01/05/2014 9:03:24 AM PST by woofie
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To: Hulka

There are particles in so-called “empty space” that spontaneously pop in and out of existence all the time. Turns out space isn’t really empty at all, but rather seething with quantum energy.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 9:03:43 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

“There are particles in so-called “empty space” that spontaneously pop in and out of existence all the time”

I call those particles “reality TV stars”. . .


26 posted on 01/05/2014 9:05:21 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Drew68

Same here. Furthermore, I am troubled by the growing anti-science mentality that is co-opting conservatism as of lately.


Yup, me too. If some had their way, they would shut down all scientific research in this country. Close down labs, close astronomy observatories, stop the teaching of science in high schools and universities, the whole works.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 9:08:13 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: DBrow

well said


28 posted on 01/05/2014 9:09:26 AM PST by Nifster
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To: MeshugeMikey

THE “BIG BANG” IS PURE SPECULATION: LET”S SEE SOME PROOF!


29 posted on 01/05/2014 9:10:07 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
These are atheist scientists trying to prove that the universe is godless.

Some of the brightest I've come across seem to leave room for the possibility of a creator. One such scientist, Lothar Schafer, an expert in quantum mechanics, frequently makes connections between how the mind works and how the universe works at the most fundamental level (the realm of quantum mechanics). He's written several books on the subject. Another one is cosmologist Paul Davies, author of The Matter Myth.

30 posted on 01/05/2014 9:11:50 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
You are naive.

You are dogmatic.

31 posted on 01/05/2014 9:13:12 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: Hulka

More like pieces of the ‘brains’ of reality TV stars.


32 posted on 01/05/2014 9:15:17 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: sauron

Fundamentally physics and mathematics; information imprinted on the universe such as in DNA layering.

More difficult for atheists by the day.


33 posted on 01/05/2014 9:17:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"It was playful for God to create a Universe 10,000 years ago with abundant evidence of being more than 10 billion years old."

Jesus's first miracle was to create something with the appearance of age, wine.

If God decides to hang stars and galaxy's in the sky for lights and to tell the seasons by, why do you imply any other motive?

He wanted them, He made them. He gave us the timeline of creation. The fact that we don't understand how he did it or why he created them a certain way, and then we try to impose natural causes, and conclude that they must be old, is not His problem.

34 posted on 01/05/2014 9:18:32 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: ETL

There are particles in so-called “empty space” that spontaneously pop in and out of existence all the time. Turns out space isn’t really empty at all, but rather seething with quantum energy.


Which leads to the question of what created those particles and quantum energy.


35 posted on 01/05/2014 9:19:01 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

We need to quit science and just study the Bible. All the answers are in the Bible.


36 posted on 01/05/2014 9:19:12 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Something created the Universe. Who’s to say God didn’t use a big bang to do it?


37 posted on 01/05/2014 9:21:47 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: sauron
I KNOW the origin of the universe! God, who designed and built the universe, told us how he did it. I don't need money used to try to disprove God's Word! What a huge waste of money.

...............

I'm a Christian.

I disagree with you. Completely. We're investigating the Clockmaker, taking apart the clock, examining it, and in the process, we will only confirm that He exists. It's a great use of the money.

We should spend more.

The sciences: Chemistry, biology, physics--are only confirming that this is an ordered universe.

Why the fear? Relax. It's all gonna work out to be fine. It was always planned to. ;)

Ditto. I see absolutely no conflict with religion and the aggressive, open-minded exploration of our world.

Note - I'm talking about the real scientific method as opposed to idiots who say things like "the science is settled."

38 posted on 01/05/2014 9:21:51 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: DannyTN

Respectfully, I for one do not find religion and science to be in conflict. It is the misguided proponents of either who are in conflict.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 9:22:32 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: ETL

Thanks for the great post. For all the believers in God, and I am one, every discovery we make makes me revere The Lord all the more and and it reinforces how precious life and knowledge is.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 9:23:50 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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