Posted on 01/01/2014 3:18:25 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo
The National Transportation Safety Board says in a preliminary accident report that a small commercial plane that crash-landed in Hawaii waters floated for about 25 minutes before sinking.
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“the death ISN”T explained by heart attack, stroke, aneurysm, hypothermia, etc.”
Totally agree. If death were a result of any of the above, the autopsy wd have identified the cause. So whatever Fuddy died of, it wasn’t something the average autopsy cd reveal.
I don’t know why you read what anti-birthers are saying, though. They are a hateful, joyless & ignorant bunch. I don’t waste time finding out what brand of hate they happen to be spewing on any given day.
There needs to be a investigation to see if this plane was not taken down by laser weapons.
Usually I’m not all that interested either, but sometimes the input they give points me in directions I wouldn’t otherwise check out. Their information is often very helpful.
One of them cited an article in which Phillip Hollstein said he waited a half-hour before he decided to swim for shore. The link they gave was already scrubbed from the internet everywhere it was cross-linked. So I wasn’t able to check out whether Hollstein actually claimed that. If he did, it would suggest that Fuddy was fine for a half hour after entering the water, giving her less time to drift away from the others, unless the rescue was later than first thought - which would add to the question of whether the death was reported before it could have been known to happen.
Of course, it might support the hypothermia theory, except that the coroner should be able to find a cause of death if it was hypothermia-related. lol.
I’m not afraid of new information because new information usually just shows up the discrepancies more and more.
The scrubbing of articles from the web is bothersome. I really thought I remembered a report saying they had done CPR on Fuddy, which would go along with the claims that the Coast Guard rescued 3 alive and the Fire Dept crews rescued 5 alive (leaving Hollstein who wasn’t picked up by anybody, to finish out the 9 people on board, all alive). But of course that would contradict the report by the Coast Guard guy, that he didn’t find a pulse in Fuddy. I can’t find whatever it was that made me think they gave her CPR, so either I was imagining things, or it’s been scrubbed now, or maybe I just can’t come up with the right search terms to find it. I’ll figure I must have been mistaken but I hate knowing that information gets scrubbed so I have no way of knowing.
If you’re getting reliable info from the anti-birthers, I can understand it. I’d want to see a firsthand source on that ‘half an hr wait’, though. Doesn’t sound like it happened. Here’s a fairly detailed acct, obviously written prior to the salvage operation, that makes it sound as if Holstein didn’t wait all that long:
http://www.omaha.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20131214/AP09/312149995/1007
Thanks very much Fred. I’m still looking for links between el rukin’s Jeff Fort and zero but about all I can find is a remote link between the rukins Fort and the bent axel. I’m sure I have missed something. I appreciate your efforts. You guys are really on the ball and have the research down pat.
Silly question I know but has the MSM picked up on this story at all? If they do they are bound to have a huge political bent offered from the regime,it would be interesting to see how they are attempting to hide all this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/
“Okubo said the department’s deputy
director, Keith Yamamoto, also had been booked on the flight.”
The above seems interesting from USA today. Was this flight supposed to be a twofer?
Once again no mention of the irony of only Fuddy dying which is the crux of the story yet never mentioned.
Amazing how the mantra of only straight news/lite can kick in whenever the regime is in jeopardy.
It should be noted that team Arpaio has disputed some of Vogt's claims in the past.
US news and world report is probably the most interesting.They bring up Cruz as having the same problem as zero and try and take out Taitz and Trumph as just whacko birthers. Interesting to say the least.
Taitz hastily wrote a letter Thursday to Fuddy's deputy, Keith Yamamoto, inquiring about the specifics of department policy for releasing long-form birth certificates. Yamamoto was on board the plane and told Catholic priest Patrick Killilea he was holding Fuddy's hand when she died, Killilea told KITV.
I didn't know that Yamamoto was on the plane and moreover holding Fuddys hand as she died, interesting to say the least.
Yes, it was reported from day one that her deputy was aboard and held her hand until she let go and drifted away. Of course, that would mean he let go of her hand and knew she was dead which is never said. Time wise, the reports indicate she floated away about the hour mark so that left another half hour before rescue got there. Then one rescuer got to her and passed her up because she was dead and then later the second guy got her. We don’t know how long the rescue lasted but let’s say at the very least, she had been dead an hour before she was out of the ocean. Excuse me, but how the heck would the pilot not have known she was dead? Remember, he didn’t know and was shocked when he was later informed. Did Keith not holler out for help? Wouldn’t the pilot and 6 passengers (minus the swimmer) constantly keep asking each other if they were ok and where was Fuddy or were they merely relaxing enjoying the sunshine? Makes no sense.
Doug Vogt told Pastor Dr. James Manning while being interviewed on The Manning Report internet radio program that he believed that the plane was sabotaged with a small bomb with the intent that it go down with no survivors in a zone (radio dead spot) where it would not be missed until after it did not arrive as expected. He said that he believes that pilot’s extraordinary skill saved the survivors.
Doug Vogt has an ongoing case in the Seattle area courts based on misprision of felony statutes in which he names the alleged forgers of aka obama’s birth certificate, but the exact details are revealed in a sealed document only available to the court. He says Fuddy is named in his case, but he did not reveal if she was named as one of the forgers (he did say that the individual who graphically created the forgery was supplied the data to put on it by someone else).
Three more oddities:
1) the couple in the other plane said the tower asked about the downed plane so the tower knew there had been an accident. Duh, it happened at takeoff and laned right out in front of the airport. But, before the couple were able to land mere moments later, the tower person/persons had disappeared.
2) due to insurance, law suits and I’m sure Coast Guard and LE requirements everyone would have to be taken to the hospital. We know the Coast Guard didn’t take the pilot because his son took him. There were at least two passengers who refused medical attention. We still have the freedom to refuse but you’d think the Coast Guard helicopters would have automatically landed at the hospital and then let the hospital handle the refusal paperwork. It’s the not taking everyone to the hospital that doesn’t sit right.
3) it’d be nice to know who those other passengers were or did they disappear like the tower person.
So Fuddy is named in a Seattlle court case, "mysteriously dies", while her # 2 man holds her hand and no media is curious? I don't think so!
Where did these tower guys go! No one curious in Hawaii or DBM I guess. Just another job left to the New Media. Why am I surprised.
Maybe they heard what happened to the tower operator at the Dubrovnik airport after Ron Brown's plane went down and decided they didn't want to end up committing "suicide"?
The oddities of those that surround “the One” continue to mount.
Freepmail sent to you guys.
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