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The Hottest Electric Vehicles Leave Winter Drivers Out in the Cold
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/14/13 | Giuseppe Macri

Posted on 12/14/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by chiller

Engineering breakthroughs like the Tesla Model S may be burning up the electric car market (figuratively and literally), but they’re leaving drivers cold and under-powered in the face of Old Man Winter.

Cold temperatures have adverse effects on batteries, slowing down the incoming and outgoing flow of energy and inevitably losing some in the process. The 250-mile average range of an electric car in normal climate conditions can see its performance reduced by 70-miles on a single charge in average winter conditions. The colder it gets, the shorter than range.

Not only that, the average winter driver tends to turn up the heat — a function that also puts a draw on the battery uncommon during other seasons.

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To: editor-surveyor
null and void knows that he is being facetious.

Shows what you know.

Your psychic abilities are every bit as good as your command of science and technology.

181 posted on 12/14/2013 8:05:50 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: chiller

BWAHAHAHAHAHHA…except of course we the tax payers subsidized this circle jerk


182 posted on 12/14/2013 8:07:05 PM PST by Nifster
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To: steve86

You are in better shame than I am!


183 posted on 12/14/2013 8:08:04 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Because the heat in your Jeep is a byproduct of the internal combustion engine, and the AC is driven by the engine.

The electric car has no waste heat to warm the cabin, and makes heat with resistance heating...like a hair dryer. That uses a lot of juice.

So if they added one of those fancy internal combustion engine things, this would be a decent car? You ought to send these Tesla folks a note. They might give you a big reward.

184 posted on 12/14/2013 8:09:09 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: null and void

Shame??? Shape!!!


185 posted on 12/14/2013 8:09:47 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: chiller

I remember reading about colonials throwing a brick or a potato in the fire. They would take the hot brick wrapped in a blanket to keep their tootsies warm in the sleigh ride home. Maybe the Tesla folks could pass that tip along as well.


186 posted on 12/14/2013 8:13:14 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Reaganez

They can also refuel in less than 10 minutes and be on their way again. You can’t.


187 posted on 12/14/2013 8:18:28 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gitmo
You ought to send these Tesla folks a note. They might give you a big reward.

I'll bet even a Honda 50CC engine with a water cooled manifold/converter would make enough heat, and it could run an recharge generator while the thing was parked at work.

188 posted on 12/14/2013 8:18:48 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: null and void

Many RaceTrac and QT locations.


189 posted on 12/14/2013 8:19:32 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: null and void

Many Texas refineries actually are self-powered now and can fill trucks. I don’t know about the rest of the country (and could not care less) but Texas can run just fine in that scenario.


190 posted on 12/14/2013 8:21:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: editor-surveyor
OK, but that's little different than restoring power on a hot summer's day in the south. If they tried to do it everywhere at once the strain of all those air conditioners kicking on at the same time will pop breakers.

That why a) they do it neighborhood by neighborhood and b) why many a/c systems monitor the power and won't kick on until the line voltage stabilizes.

To make the argument that electric cars will inevitably cause problems that will keep the grid down is to assume that the power companies won't change anything in response to an on going and predictable increase in baseline demand.

That's as silly as a liberal politician assuming than no one will change their behavior to adapt of a doubling of their tax rate.

191 posted on 12/14/2013 8:21:59 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Spktyr
Thanks! I've never seen either of those, but it is good to know someone is paying attention!
192 posted on 12/14/2013 8:23:38 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Nasty little secret about those - they can’t charge from the photovoltaics fast enough to charge those cars in real-time. Once their initial reserve runs down at the station, they’re almost as screwed.


193 posted on 12/14/2013 8:23:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I sooooo want to move to Texas!


194 posted on 12/14/2013 8:24:47 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Reaganez

“I own an 85 kwh Tesla Model S.”

Nice to see I am not the only owner of an electric car here. I have a Nissan Leaf. On my commute of 45 miles I lose about 7 miles in the winter. All seats are heated (even the rear seats) and the steering wheel. The air conditioner in the summer does not seem to have any effect on range. Don’t gas vehicles have less mileage due to the winter blend of gasoline?


195 posted on 12/14/2013 8:24:58 PM PST by willk
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To: null and void

Tesla might not be around much longer, though. They’re starting to play some very strange games with their books which is bringing into question their long term survival.


196 posted on 12/14/2013 8:26:15 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Of course. But I bet a patient man could charge for a couple hours and be on his way. I’ve never seen one with all the bays full, so there might be a little excess capacity available (for now).

It might be more available than gasoline for a while anyway.

Remember the Carter years? Some gas stations would run dry and then couldn’t be resupplied because stalled cars were blocking tanker truck access!


197 posted on 12/14/2013 8:31:48 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Spktyr

That’s too bad. I’m driving a 19 year old gas sipper, and doubtless would never own a Tesla, but I’d like the freedom to be able buy whatever my little heart desired.


198 posted on 12/14/2013 8:35:56 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Developers experimented with electric cars around the same time they worked with the internal combustion engine. For some reason they took gasoline power and ran with it.


199 posted on 12/14/2013 8:37:02 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
If they did: You could stand in a bucket, grab the handle, lift yourself up and carry yourself around.

Thank you Mr. Churchill. :-)

200 posted on 12/14/2013 8:38:30 PM PST by OldMissileer
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