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The Hottest Electric Vehicles Leave Winter Drivers Out in the Cold
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/14/13 | Giuseppe Macri

Posted on 12/14/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by chiller

Engineering breakthroughs like the Tesla Model S may be burning up the electric car market (figuratively and literally), but they’re leaving drivers cold and under-powered in the face of Old Man Winter.

Cold temperatures have adverse effects on batteries, slowing down the incoming and outgoing flow of energy and inevitably losing some in the process. The 250-mile average range of an electric car in normal climate conditions can see its performance reduced by 70-miles on a single charge in average winter conditions. The colder it gets, the shorter than range.

Not only that, the average winter driver tends to turn up the heat — a function that also puts a draw on the battery uncommon during other seasons.

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To: null and void

Good luck with that charging station if the reason for the grid down is EMP!


161 posted on 12/14/2013 7:45:42 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: null and void

Gas pumps in most stations can run on backup generators. Lots of them have them now.


162 posted on 12/14/2013 7:45:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

If the power is off for a week, pretty much every car will be unusable.

No juice for the batteries, nor fuel for the tanks.

Of course after a week, nearly every grocery store will have long since run out of its 3 day supply of food...


163 posted on 12/14/2013 7:45:51 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: steve86; null and void

>> “Good luck with that charging station if the reason for the grid down is EMP!” <<

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null and void knows that he is being facetious.


164 posted on 12/14/2013 7:47:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: null and void

>> “If the power is off for a week, pretty much every car will be unusable.

No juice for the batteries, nor fuel for the tanks.

Of course after a week, nearly every grocery store will have long since run out of its 3 day supply of food...” <<

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All of which is exacerbated exponentially by electric cars.


165 posted on 12/14/2013 7:49:11 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I suspect the motor would have a fluid based cooling system so a heater core system would work would it not?


166 posted on 12/14/2013 7:49:58 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: editor-surveyor
And when the power grid is down in an emergency, how many thousands will die with their cars?

With the power grid down, your local gas station won't be pumping Ethyl into your tank, either.

167 posted on 12/14/2013 7:50:26 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

>> “With the power grid down, your local gas station won’t be pumping Ethyl into your tank, either.” <<

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Not true at all. There are several stations near me that have full service back-up generators.


168 posted on 12/14/2013 7:52:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: steve86
If we have an EMP attack or a Carrington event, we are going to have far worse problems than not being able to charge a Tesla.

For starters, your modern gasoline or diesel powered car won't run without its computer.

Your grocery store won't be able to place orders on line.

The warehouses won't be able to find anything, let alone ship it, even if they knew what to ship and to whom.

Your nat gas supplier won't be able to pump or route gas to your house.

Your municipal water system will be down.

So will sewage treatment.

No garbage trucks.

No medicines that require refrigeration.

For that matter, no hospital will be running after the emergency generators run dry.

169 posted on 12/14/2013 7:54:03 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: cableguymn

Yes, it would work to some extent, but the available heat is too minimal to justify the cost.


170 posted on 12/14/2013 7:54:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Gas pumps in most stations can run on backup generators. Lots of them have them now.

Name one.

171 posted on 12/14/2013 7:55:17 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

Most of the stations built in the last ten years near major highways have some level of backup.


172 posted on 12/14/2013 7:57:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
All of which is exacerbated exponentially by electric cars.

How?

Do electric vehicles magically keep the power from being turned back on, or do they create an energy vacuum, a negative energy pit, that must be refilled before power can be restored?

173 posted on 12/14/2013 7:57:50 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

I do have a mechanical injection diesel and a magneto-ignition motorcycle and a bunch of bicycles. Hell, even the old Sears outboard has good chance of running!


174 posted on 12/14/2013 7:58:45 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Trifle.

If the motor were located front and center, that would be no biggie.

Wheel mounted motors would be impossible. The vent would need to be large, like 4”.


175 posted on 12/14/2013 8:00:01 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: dhs12345

windshield wiper fluid via spare tire...kewl...
I had a 71 super beetle...auto stick back then.
battery under the back seat
heater was actually pretty decent as long as you were doing 45 mph or greater.
got about 25 mpg kicking around.
damn car just wouldn’t quit


176 posted on 12/14/2013 8:00:14 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: null and void

How?

BY increasing the stress on the grid.

Normal cars only need power for two minutes to fill the tank.


177 posted on 12/14/2013 8:03:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Good to know.

With the grid down, what happens when the underground tank goes dry?

How do they order more fuel? How does it get loaded into the delivery truck?

Under normal circumstances they need to restock at least weekly, and any station that had emergency power would be sucked dry in a matter of days.


178 posted on 12/14/2013 8:04:33 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Reaganez

and You live in Kalifornia,,,


179 posted on 12/14/2013 8:04:40 PM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: chiller

It looks like the AC would be even worse.


180 posted on 12/14/2013 8:04:50 PM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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