Posted on 12/12/2013 4:05:13 AM PST by mrsadams
KHON-TV reported that Hawaii Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy died when the Makani Kai Cessna Grand Caravan crashed half a mile off the north shore of Molokai. Fuddy was one of eight passengers on board the plane in addition to the pilot, and the only one who did not survive.
The plane took off at approximately 3:35 p.m. Wednesday from the Kalaupapa Peninsula bound for Honolulu. In addition to Fuddy, the department's deputy director, Keith Yamamoto, was also booked on the flight, department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Associated Press.
Makani Kai Air has said that the pilot did not make any radio calls indicating that he was in trouble before the crash. Another pilot spotted the wreckage and survivors wearing life vests and called in the details to the Molokai Airport tower
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Wasn't it Ron Brown who had a bullet hole in his head (but he was supposed to have "died in that plane crash")?
Clinton is extremely upset that some say it’s Bush’s fault.
The flip side is much more likely.
I'd say it's more of a Jack Ruby / Oswald kinda relationship.
How about the 9 “Survivors” were dropped in after to clean up the drone control evidence from the site.
Oh, what the heck; it makes as much sense as any other explanation for their back-stabbing behavior.
“Wasn’t it Ron Brown who had a bullet hole in his head (but he was supposed to have “died in that plane crash”)?”
The accident investigation claimed the hole in the skull was caused by a bolt during the crash of the aircraft.
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Apart from this statement assuming at the outset there was an illegal scheme that happened, the question remains (even under that assumption) "why now?" 1) There is NO ONE in Congress who is showing the LEAST inclination to talk about eligibility or Obama's past. 2) The CCP is out there fumbling around trying to appear relevant, but a) the CCP has absolutely no jurisdiction outside of Maricopa County, AZ (so no one in Hawaii need have the least concern with the silly Posse) and 2) the M.C. District Attorney basically told the CCP "come back to me when you have some real evidence." And, to point out the obvious, the CCP, despite all it's posturing and teasing about "really, really shocking things to come!!!" has produced in actuality diddly-squat.
So why would Ms. Fuddy have the least concern that the time had come for her to send signals of "turning?"
It's lack of any cogent answer to that makes, among other things, your conspiracy theory nuts.
I actually don’t believe they thought she would turn.
And there was no indication whatsoever of her "turning," nor, as just stated, any reason for her do to so. And that's on top of the complete lack of evidence of any "fraudulent scheme" at the outset.
We’ve got the signed statements of the people who were directly threatened.
Are you talking Benghazzi here? Or Hawaii?
Others before me have addressed the specific things you list and shown why they don't make out the case you allege.
. . and it also seems clear that the person doing it is doing it against their will and putting in red flags in protest.
That claim is nutso silliness at its finest. So, on the one hand, we're to believe that these persons understand they live in a world where the Evil Regime is ready to kill anyone who doesn't cooperate or at the moment the person may show signs of "spilling the beans." Yet, on the other hand, these same persons leave telltale "flags" which anyone (including the Evil Regime who is inclined to punish such actions with death) can discern. Sheesh, in crappy 50's spy novels the spies are aware that, as a spy, they are also spied upon.
Your theories don't even rise to the level of pulp spy novel fiction.
You cited Occam’s Razor. How many “accidents” does it take, involving critical players at critical times, before it takes greater faith to say it’s all coincidence than to realize there’s a pattern?
I ask the question the other way. How many persons can their be who are absolutely critical of Pres. Obama, who openly challenge his eligibility, who search for and disseminate information to "spill the beans" on that point, but who are merrily running around without having suffered the least threat, before one concludes that the conspiracy theory built upon these other isolated instances is just an egregious case of "cherry picking" and post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy?
What are the outer limits of Occam?
The simplest explanation for why most everyone -- including political opponents of Obama and Hawaiian officials from both parties -- accepts without much question that Obama was born in Hawaii is that Obama actually WAS born in Hawaii. When instead one substitutes for that this elaborate theory a) that posits document alteration that (to cover all bases) would have been necessary starting from the 60's or so, b) that posits that a WHOLE HOST of high-level persons have been intimidated or bribed into cooperation while magically leaving no direct evidence that such has occurred, and c) that posits that the Regime is at once and the same time incredibly omniscient and omnipotent to pull all this stuff off, yet incredibly stupid and inept as to be unable to do simple things like scan a document without leaving evidence of supposed "forgery," the Occam's limits have not been tested in the least. In fact, it's time for some under those circumstances to dust him off and re-learn the lesson.
I’m not going to engage with trolls. Bye.
And why do they need to keep such persons quiet? Whether they do or not depends on which view of the world holds true. I asked you this before; you (and every other Birther reading along) ducked the question. So here it is again:
One of the many (MANY) significant problems with the Birther worldview is that it speaks out both sides of the mouth at once.One the one hand, we're told that pretty much everyone in a position of authority is already "in on it." This is the explanation given whenever Congress (even the Republicans) fail to investigate Birther claims. It's the reason given why the MSM doesn't report any of this. It's the reason given why every judge faced with a Birther lawsuit has tossed them out. Everyone (so it's claimed) knows and has been either bribed, intimidated or otherwise made complicit in the Great Usurpation.
Yet, on the OTHER hand, Birthers act like there are these select individuals who are out to reveal these things (which everyone already knows) who have to be stealthily silenced, lest the people in authority (who already know), are told things (that they already know) and the whole house of cards comes crashing down on Obama.
These cannot both be entertained simultaneously. There is no reason to "silence" the likes of Fuddy on the theory she can reveal Obama's illegitimacy when (supposedly) the Congress, the Judiciary, and the MSM already know that.
So which is it? Anyone?
So it is the case most of the Congress is aware of Obama's sketchy background and outright ineligibility? Or do they not know at all?
You have to address that question before you can credibly posit there is a reason why the Regime is worried about these 3 persons talking. If Congress already knows, why would the Regime care?
There’s a lot you need to read up on, I suspect.
I've read a bit of Robert Ludlum and like authors. But, truly, I need to delve deeper into them to understand the alter-reality you inhabit so I can better carry on this dialogue.
Which is "code" and a "red flag" for "you ask me challenging questions I can't answer, so I need an exit strategy."
I'm well familiar with this technique. Thanks for playing.
The fact that this fairly recent one note troll is all over this thread is, in itself, quite telling.
I think what's telling is Butter's inability to answer questions which obviously expose the internal incoherence of her (and many Birthers') arguments. The lack of a cogent answer makes my points look rather on target.
Do you wish to try to help her? Or do you just kibbitz from the sidelines?
This is my sole reply to you.
You’re a stinking troll.
Butterdezillion is an honorable and intelligent poster.
End. Of. Story.
“something to make Fuddy’s seatbelt “stick”.”
What do you mean? Since she got out of the plane with everyone else how was her seat belt sticky?
“In the water, Fuddy held hands with deputy director Keith Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal.
“He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time,” the priest said. “They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/small-plane-crashes-water-off-molokai-hawaii-21187906
Possible heart attack due to the stress?
I thank you for this highly intelligent, articulate post.
Butterdezillion is an honorable and intelligent poster.
You perhaps aren't aware of some recent posting history. Back on this thread , she demanded I post my actual name/identity, and when I refused, she called me "chicken." For that, a number of other Freepers roundly chastised her. She apologized (indeed, an honorable gesture) and that was that.
Now, my posting preference is to stick to substance and avoid that sort of personal focus about who registered when, etc., or who called whom what name. But as to the present discussion, suffice it to say I'm taking delight in observing Butterdezillion duck my questions, tucking the proverbial tail between her legs and skee-daddling.
Enjoy your well-deserved bleacher seat.
You screwed up badly when you tried to pretend the Benghazi witness cover-up never happened. No true conservative would have even tried to deny that fact.
I’d never be able to be a paid troll because having to lie for camouflage would drive me crazy. It was just a little more than you could take, to have to acknowledge the fact that the Benghazi witnesses were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements, given new identities so that Congress couldn’t find them, and given repeated lie detector tests to make sure nobody spilled the beans. It’s factual stuff but I realize it’s probably a sensitive subject for you and you couldn’t bring yourself to acknowledge the facts.
If you can’t acknowledge those already-well-documented facts, you’ll never be able to acknowledge the facts you’re hired to ridicule. I will engage in discussion about facts with anybody who addresses facts, but you accidentally revealed who you are and I will not engage with paid trolls.
Good-bye.
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