Warning All Churches [Homosexual infiltration]

Worldview Weekend ^ | October 27, 2013 | Ken Ham

[fwdude]

Over this year, there have been a number of news reports on another movement in the church advocating for the acceptance of homosexual behavior and same-sex relationships. Matthew Vines, an openly homosexual 23-year-old student at Harvard University, posted a video on YouTube of a speech he gave on homosexuality and the Bible. In the talk, he claims repeatedly that God’s Word does not condemn monogamous same-sex relationships.

Now, a recent report from the Christian Post highlighted the amount of compromise happening within the church on this issue. The headline of the article explains, " 50 ‘Hand-Picked’ Christians Trained To Convince Churches To Re-Interpret Scripture’s Gay Boundaries.” Vines apparently hosted a training conference recently in his home state of Kansas for Christians who want to convince their churches to accept same-sex relationships.

[JLLH]

Already done. See post 21.

[papertyger]

Ah, yes, the eternal Catholic hissy fit thrown when Scripture is used. Guess it’s to be expected when one doesn’t know Scripture and cannot answer arguments from a Biblical view. Again, sad, but completely within your power to change.

I can pretty much guarantee you I have a better command of Scripture than you do. What I don't have is all the Protestant baggage that goes along with it.

[JLLH]

“You are the one who appears to be arguing for Christ not being God in the flesh.”

“Making it personal?”

Note the term “appears”.

[JLLH]

Any time you’re ready to prove it, please go right ahead. My experience with Catholics on this board says otherwise. They are well-versed in Catholic dogma and doctrine, but no so much in Scripture.

Romans 12:3.....

[papertyger]

So.... your position is that the Holy Spirit is an optional buffet item?? The Holy Spirit indwells the believer. No HOly Spirit, no salvation.

If not, you must be claiming to always follow the Holy Spirit's prompting and are thus sinless...no?

[papertyger]

None of those Scriptures demonstrate what you claim.

[JLLH]

Any believer will tell you that the indwelling Holy Spirit does not create a sinless person. If I were sinless, I wouldn’t need a Savior and I would be denying that wonderful passage in Romans which Catholics love to forget when it comes to Mary. Circular argument??

[JLLH]

Of course they do. Revelations, for example, forbids adding to Scriptures. The others as well. Better go back and read again.

[papertyger]

Note the term “appears”.

So "appears" isn't personal, but "seem" is....

[narses]

[papertyger]

Any time you’re ready to prove it, please go right ahead. My experience with Catholics on this board says otherwise. They are well-versed in Catholic dogma and doctrine, but no so much in Scripture.

So why won't you answer my "tohu va bohu" question?

And as I spent over twenty years as a Bible Christian, you'll find I don't fit your prejudice.

[papertyger]

Any believer will tell you that the indwelling Holy Spirit does not create a sinless person.

If the indwelling Spirit does not protect you from sin, by what Scripture do you maintain it protects you from doctrinal error?

[JLLH]

Not prejudice. Experience. And why won’t you answer your own question since you appear so “eager” to show your — ahem — supposed “better command” of Scripture.....??

[papertyger]

Of course they do. Revelations, for example, forbids adding to Scriptures.

For the record, it's singular: not "Revelations." Please show where that condemnation extends to the whole of the Bible.

And you wanted me to demonstrate my command of Scripture; well there you go.

[JLLH]

Now we’re back to Scripture proving Scripture. That’s how. If one’s interpretation contradicts Scripture as stated over and over again (not removed from its context) contradicts Scripture...guess who’s wrong. (Clue: Since Scripture IS the only authority, that would be the one who is wrongly interpreting it, not Scripture itself.)

As for “protection” from sin, who said He was some kind of life vest? He guides, but no I don’t think I ever stated one was COMPELLED, but it’s a strange sort of Christian who would not want to.... Again, since we are ALL sinful creatures, we will never be sinless on this Earth. None of us (and yes, that includes Mary). Only one was and is sinless in human form and that’s Christ.

[papertyger]

Not prejudice. Experience.

Did you not apply your "experience" to me?

[JLLH]

THAT’S your supposed “better command” of Scripture??? SERIOUSLY???? Ever hear of a typo, slick?? No??

[JLLH]

You applied it to yourself. And frankly, nothing you’ve said has proven that experience to be in error.

Now I’ve just realized I’ve wasted over an hour with a nonsensical discussion with someone who doesn’t recognize Scripture as authoritative, so ....we have no common ground on which to continue and frankly I have better things to do than continue this silly, pointless debate that’s going nowhere.

[papertyger]

Now we’re back to Scripture proving Scripture.

Have you ever had a doctrinal discussion with a Jehovah's Witness? They do exactly that, and with the same alacrity of most Protestants I might add.

It doesn't make them right.

[papertyger]

THAT’S your supposed “better command” of Scripture??? SERIOUSLY???? Ever hear of a typo, slick?? No??

A serious Bible student would never make that mistake. It's like a cop confusing his taser with his pistol.

So please show the universality of the condemnation in Revelation.