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Wide racial gap persists in education testing (even with affluent families)
Columbus Dispatch ^ | 9/22/2013

Posted on 09/23/2013 4:25:56 PM PDT by Altura Ct.

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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Culture.


61 posted on 09/23/2013 7:27:46 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Altura Ct.
Some schools have added more minority teachers, which parents are lobbying for in Westerville. “The overwhelming number of teachers are white; they connect better with white students than minority students,” said Bell, of the parent group.

Wow, race based school hiring.

62 posted on 09/23/2013 7:28:21 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Altura Ct.

Gee, what happened 5 years ago? Maybe we have more of an entitlement mentality.


63 posted on 09/23/2013 7:28:22 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: rdcbn

But, it helps sop up the poorly educated liberals. They can teach pre-K level stuff.


64 posted on 09/23/2013 7:30:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Gen.Blather

Wow, talk about not trusting your family. Also, congratulations on your successes. What are your books on and what were your businesses?


65 posted on 09/23/2013 7:32:12 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Graybeard58

If you want to make certain your kids are solid conservatives and morally straight keep them out of government school until at least 5th grade. By that time kids have internalized their culture and rarely reject it.


66 posted on 09/23/2013 7:33:06 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Biology is destiny.

No, it is not. Given similar family situations, white kids will do just as poorly in school as minority kids.

I believe the single most important thing, from birth, up to middle school, is a parent or family member who will READ to a child. In this day and age, where every school has a library, and every town has a public library, there is no reason for a child not to have some book or another to read, or which can be read to him.

When a child is a good reader, the world opens up, and anyone can be self-taught, if the culture around him values intelligence and education, and not necessarily that which occurs within a school building.

67 posted on 09/23/2013 7:34:30 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ilovesarah2012
Then how do you explain people like Condi Rice (I don’t agree with her on a lot of things but she is very smart) and Dr. Ben Carson? Why can’t all black students excel?

It comes down to family. I grew up with people who were black whose families emphasized and valued education, and demanded excellence from their kids.

Black children from affluent families are not immune to the rotten pop culture unless those families have firmly inculcated solid values, and expect their children to study and to work.
68 posted on 09/23/2013 7:40:19 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Pearls Before Swine
How would the white population fare in Africa in the aggregate?

They actually did well. Remember South Africa?

Working Americans are delaying their childbearing because they are heavily taxed to subsidize the careless. Maybe that is the evolutionary strategy that is favored (shudder) under the current circumstances.

Since there are no genes for social problems, evolution has nothing to do with it.

But evolution is a handy word, isn't it? Evolution can be inserted into a sentence just about anywhere. "evolution favors basketball fans over cricket fans in America, that's why have more of them, blah blah". If you replaced the word "evolution" with "magic" or "aliens" it would sound just as convincing.

69 posted on 09/23/2013 7:53:41 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Altura Ct.

I have never lived around blacks so don’t pretend to know why they don’t excel at school as a group.

The other group with issues according to this article is Native Americans, which I grew up with and went through school with. The biggest issue I saw with NAs when it came to school was the parents did not put any emphasis on school so the children had no support at home. I think parental support is critical, children need to be told over and over that learning is important and parents need to make sure they have supplies they need, help with homework- whatever it takes. Children also need the praise of parents when they do well at school and help when they are struggling. If parents and other adults in a child’s life do not act as though school is important then the child does not see it that way either. I have rarely seen books in homes of NAs, books of any type- usually no magazines, no adult books, no children’s books, nothing to read. I did notice if there were books in a NAs home, their children did do well at school. In contrast when I go to homes of poor whites there usually are books, a few children’s books, maybe comic books, some adult reading- at least tabloids, some type of woman’s magazines- something to read.

We have an issue here with children of illegal aliens struggling with school (most due to language issues in the beginning of course but even after learning English) and most illegals could care less how their children do at school so they have no parental support either. There was one girl with IA parents that did have a burning desire to learn and her parents did support education and in fact told her every day that the way to live better was to get an education. That girl excelled at school, teachers helped her because they saw that burning desire to learn, she did very well, graduated at the top of her class, earned scholarships to college and is doing well now.

I have to wonder if the issues with black children struggling at school does not have more to do with what is going on at home than what is going on at school. I have yet to see a teacher ignore a student that comes to school enthused about learning, and has a real desire to do well, and has parental support to help them succeed- no matter what race that child is.


70 posted on 09/23/2013 8:48:59 PM PDT by Tammy8 ( ~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Altura Ct.

It is not about income. It is not about location. It is about attitude.


71 posted on 09/23/2013 9:41:04 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m sure the average freeper and the average citizen never went to preschool....


72 posted on 09/23/2013 9:54:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: grania
I thought the black Jeopardy winners were pretty suspect....

not that there aren't really smart black people because there's a ton, a lot smarter than me for sure...

73 posted on 09/23/2013 9:56:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Altura Ct.
“The overwhelming number of teachers are white; they connect better with white students than minority students,” said Bell, of the parent group.

The truth is, black teachers spend more time with black students because they connect with them. White teachers spend more time with the black students to prove they're not raciest. The white children have to rely on their parents and one another for help.

74 posted on 09/23/2013 11:34:45 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: 1010RD

The novels:

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-author=Bern%20Pearson&page=1&rh=n%3A133140011%2Cp_27%3ABern%20Pearson

My first business manufactured jewelry and was called Gryphon Cottage Inc. It ran for seven years.

The second was Technical Service Associates and I leased employees to military contractors. (Don’t deal with the government!)


75 posted on 09/24/2013 1:18:45 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: SuziQ
I'm 65 and I never had anyone read to me.

Somehow ... way back when ... I developed a love of reading.

Reading was an escape and an education and just damned interesting.

I can't put my finger on one person or event or anything that "did" that to me, but .. I've always loved to read.


People reading to kids are just a live TV.

76 posted on 09/24/2013 2:47:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Biology is destiny.

If this is the case then we don't need political forums like Free Republic. Biology predestines us to be either sensible conservatives or liberal moonbats. No point arguing about it.

77 posted on 09/24/2013 3:04:44 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: cherry
I thought the black Jeopardy winners were pretty suspect

Anything is possible, but that would be depressing. It would be the end of what's left of US civilization if Jeopardy were rigged.

78 posted on 09/24/2013 3:28:17 AM PDT by grania
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To: SuziQ
Dear SuziQ,

“Given similar family situations, white kids will do just as poorly in school as minority kids.”

At the very least, this appears to be an unproven assertion.

From the article: "Poor, white students outperformed black students from poor and wealthy families."

Charles Murray's recent book shows that “family situations” for poor whites are in a state of advanced deterioration (lack of marriage, high illegitimacy, low final educational achievement, poor work histories, etc.). Thus, it's unlikely that these poor whites are outperforming blacks because of overall better "family situations."


sitetest

79 posted on 09/24/2013 6:21:48 AM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; ilovesarah2012; Grams A; alloysteel; LoneRangerMassachusetts; OldPossum; ...

The argument is as old as the ancient Greeks; i.e. nature versus nurture. I come down on the nature side. Those who study intelligence feel it is about 80% genetic. However, I feel it gets worse for the blacks as another curse in their demographic is poor impulse control, another biologically based trait.(Thomas Carlyle noticed this in the 1840’s; “a race singularily deficient in self governance.”) The trillions we have spent trying to improve the lot in life for blacks has obviously been wasted. Some say they are worse off today than say 50 years ago. The solution to the problem will be biological. There are already some medicines that seem to increase intelligence. That ultimately will be the solution. For those who point out Condi Rice; that is no argument as intelligence is a normal curve implying some blacks will be at the upper end. However, the black normal curve is shifted lower on the average.

Another story is of course the ongoing cultural collapse of Western Culture which is increasing anarchy. However, as stated that is another story.


80 posted on 09/24/2013 7:17:09 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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