Posted on 09/21/2013 10:38:40 AM PDT by jimbo123
Karl Rove is always worth reading for a glimpse of how GOP elites are thinking, and his latest Op ed suggest real panic setting in over the chaos and division spreading among Congressional Republicans over how to handle this fall’s fiscal fights. Rove confirms an argument that will be familiar to readers of this blog: Public disapproval of Obamacare does not translate into public support for GOP efforts to sabotage the law.
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The poll is obviously one commissioned to advance an argument against defunding, but the very fact that Crossroads GPS — whose mission is to win elections — commissioned it and is calling Republicans’ attention to it is itself noteworthy.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
with rove and his ilk it is not about ideology it is all about making money.
Screw rove.
There is a stirring and movement in the dovecote of the Republican party, where all the doves of “peace” reside.
But there is, in fact, no possibility or justification of peace with this atrocity that is the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010”. Poorly conceived and impossible to administer in anything like the manner its authors envisioned, this abomination is single-handedly, destroying innovation and growth within the job market, causing great unsteadiness in terms of growth of manufacturing, retail, and service sectors of the economy, and proving that there is no meaningful patient protection or that health insurance premiums under its provisions are in the least affordable without huge subsidies.
Cut off its funding, and let it wither on the vine. Meanwhile, the House should be getting around to passing an alternative health care access bill, preferably much less convoluted and filled with legalese and escape clauses than the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010”, which means it may be a great deal shorter and much more comprehensible by both legislators and the general public.
Do not let the rhetoric surrounding the “sanctity” of Obamacare become the only framework for discussion.
Simply because something has been “the law of the land” for some period of time does not make any special virtue of preserving what was a highly evident mistake in the first place. And while we are at it, might revisit both Social Security and Medicare, too.
Do you support the redefinition of full time, i.e. the new 30 hour work week?
Do you support the employer penalty of $2,000 per employee vs. the cost of health care insurance that costs well over $2,000 per employee?
Do you support ALL the new taxes under ObamaCare?
Do you support the hiring of 16,000 NEW IRS agents sent to destroy employers and voter, many YOUR constituents?
Do you support the Death Panel?
Do you support the 40% excise tax on early retirees’ health care insurance?
Do you support the 40% excise tax on union members’ health care insurance?
Do you support the Data Mining of the FEDRAL Government under ObamaCare?
Do support ACORN advising people on ObamaCare?
If you do, then vote with the Democrats. If not vote with Cruz.
IT IS THAT EASY!
Here’s how he characterizes the issue of 1/6 of the now and future GDP, with 17 trillion debt, dumping the mess onto our children who will not survive it without major reform, breakdown of the entire workforce and economic system and unemployment which is being lied about (but will come out shortly after the conservative pres is sworn in as surely as two planes flying into the WTC):
“...over how to handle this fall’s fiscal fights.”
This fall’s fiscal fights.
Like “...the September Issue of Vogue”
And, as if there is even a yearly fight. When was the last budget passed?
Check again Juan. The Hobbits WON.
Of course! The key to R’s winning elections is to be more like D’s. It’s a simple formula.
Then, when the D’s can go further over the left cliff to full communism, Rove can advise the R’s to continue their leftward march to be more like D’s.
Complete lunacy. The nation cries out for a restoration of the Constitutional Republic and all we get is a ultra-fast dash to tyranny by the D’s or just a super-fast dash to the same destination by the R’s. We desperately need an Opposition Party, not Vanilla and Vanilla-Bean.
They cannot avoid facing the debt limit collision course, but as a powerful coalition which lines up big money, big government, and big media interests, they are well positioned to effectively blame the R's for the rapid descent of our unstable financial system if a material implosion and asset bubble pop occurs in the weeks/months ahead.
In other words, those who spotlight the Ponzi scheme and sound the alarm will effectively be (wrongly) blamed as the causes of the now inevitable avalanche that is waiting to occur if triggered.
Think Detroit as metaphor: thinking people have seen its approaching collapse for many years, but it was much easier to pretend that the obvious would not happen. It does not appear that a majority of Americans are willing to face and deal with reality until a Detroit-like outcome happens at a national scale.
Sadly.
“I think we have Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul and some other stalwarts to thank for precipitating this battle.”
You better do some checking on Runt Paul, he doesn’t fit in that group.
Runt Paul already said he is against defunding Owebamecare in the CR.
Typical GOP-E cowardice. They don’t even want to try to fight they want to try to sneek in the back door which is the approach that worked so damn well for Romney and McCain.
In 2010 what drove people to the polls for Republicans was the passionate opposition to Obamacare. I’m convinced what people like Rove want is to suppress conservative turnout not increase it which is why they are pushing a strategy that refuses to fight and make the clear case. Its not a hard case to make. People are losing their jobs and health benefits over this. Its an opportunity to make a case and win over the working class to the GOP, the citizen working class that is not the foreign fruit picking class they seem focused so heavily on.
Everything you want to know about Runt Paul can be found in the Liberaltarian party platform.
I would add, though, that a big part of the problem here is that most Republicans in Washington are 100% behind some of the key provisions of ObamaCare. The combination of the employer mandate for certain employees and the individual mandate that will be regulated by the IRS, for example, effectively accomplishes something that can best be described as the best thing ever to happen to corporate America ... the eradication of employer-paid medical insurance.
Do I understand correctly that employment-based health insurance grew as a reaction to the Internal Revenue Code?
The link to the Internal Revenue Code remains is an important one, as the IRC contains special provisions related to employer-paid health insurance that apply to almost no other employer-paid benefits. If an employer paid the premiums for an employee's disability or life insurance, for example, this would have to be reported by the employee as taxable income. The cost of medical insurance, however, is tax-deductible for the employer as a business expense but doesn't have to be reported as income by the employees on their tax returns.
That’s good from a nasty, lying troll.....
So we see once again the lesson of unintended consequences. Also an occasion for me to trumpet Nathan Bedford's second Maxim:
Failed socialism is invariably reformed with more socialism
Great Maxim!
Some of the things that Sean does are baffling. I believe him to be a good Christian man but he befriends people of evil far too often. His love affair with Lieberman for example.
I agree... Dick Morris is far more astute and accredited than rove.... and I can’t stand Dick Morris! That says a lot about rove right there.
The GOPe is always ready to compromise with Democrats but not with the conservative wing of their own party.
What’s up with that?
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