Wait for the back-channeled deal(you know, the usual screw-you), this seems too good too be true.....
“All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7
Oooooh... Ooga booga. What is he, the Great and Mighty Oz?
Hey Zero, shove it. And that goes for the ass you rode in on.
Leni
The talking point for those who will be hearing that “the Republicans want to shut down the government” is that the Republicans passed a budget. They did their job. It isn’t THEIR fault that the Senate will not take it up and Obama will not sign it.
They passed it and now the Dems have to offer something tangible in response - which they won’t.
Plus, it tells our quivering leadership that they dare not try to send through something the rank-and-file Republicans will not accept. Tell them to go back to their Dem buddies and demand they appease the conservatives with some concessions.
Besides, there is always the “continuing resolution” which will probably be the short-term compromise.
"Any Republican who votes for cloture is voting to fund Obamacare."
ALEXANDRIA, VA — Today, the Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) called on Senate Republicans to oppose cloture on Harry Reid's attempt to fund Obamacare with a simple majority.
SCF Executive Director, Matt Hoskins, made the following statement:
"Americans won a major victory today when the House passed legislation to fund the government without funding Obamacare, but now the debate shifts to the Senate where Harry Reid and the Democrats will try to fund Obamacare. The Democrats have a plan to fund Obamacare, but Republicans can stop it if they stick together.
"Harry Reid needs 60 votes to approve his plan to fund Obamacare. If 41 Republicans stand strong and oppose cloture, they can defeat Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. However, if Republicans waffle and vote for cloture, it will grease the skids for Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. It's pretty simple — any Republican who votes for cloture is voting to fund Obamacare.
"This is a critical test for Senate Republicans and especially for Mitch McConnell, the Republican Leader. It's time for Mitch McConnell to show some leadership and deliver the 41 votes needed to defeat cloture on Harry Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. Republicans like to say they are against Obamacare, but now is the time to prove it. Now is when it matters."
Senate Conservatives Fund (SCF) is an independent, grassroots organization that advocates for conservative policies in Washington and helps elect true conservative leaders to the United States Senate.
We have to help Cruz and Lee inject a spine into the cowardly GOP, and the Dems who will next year be standing for re-election.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Call your representatives today to defund Obamacare. Today is the day.
Even if you are in a Dem district.
To the Senate: OK, folks, you’ve read the polls, you’ve seen the vote in the House. Time to put your names on this albatross. Too bad all of you aren’t up for re-election in ‘14.
I don’t see the government being shut down, but let’s go with that scenario just for the fun of it.
The first “negative consequence” will be the Dems and media using scare tactics, such as “the men and women of the armed forces will not get their paychecks”, or something similar.
The House should have at the ready, standalone funding bills, for each specific part of the government they want funded (rather than a catchall omnibus spending bill). So, pass a bill and send to the Senate a bill to fund the armed forces. Then, pass a bill and send to the Senate a bill to fund (fill in the blank...whatever is deemed constitutionally necessary and authorized).
Whatever it is the people want funded (eg Social Security pensions come to mind although some on this site may disagree) is passed as a standalone bill and sent to the Senate. Members can compromise on things like the level of funding, but any attempts by the Senate to add additional spending should be rejected outright.
Why does everyone act like the Senate is the end-all be-all? It isn’t. The House has the power of the purse. All they have to do is to continue to exercise that power. It doesn’t matter what those dipshits in the Senate do or don’t do on this one. Of course, this will require the leadership and others to have the testicular fortitude to keep up the fight and not cave on the shut down.
The constitutions balance of powers were set up for reasons just like this. The Senate doesn’t get to be the all powerful arm of the government.
Constitutionally, HOW IN THE HELL can the Senate put funding back in the bill, when it is SOLELY on the HOUSE to do the funding???????????????????
So, if the Senate votes the House Bill down, how the heck can they continue Obamacare, when there is NO FUNDING?
What exactly was achieved?
Get out on the blogs you guys.......fight!!!!!
The future of the progressive agenda is at stake here. They would bring this country to a halt, and put the blame on republicans, -- while the news cycle covers their flanks -- before they allow Obamacare to be dropped. We would see another occupy type uprising prior to 2014. Hmmm, that might actually help the GOP if it comes to pass.
Hey, I have this Nigerian friend. He is a multimillionaire, and he needs some help transferring a huge wad of cash. If you cooperate just a little to help him make this transaction, you could earn big bucks! Want to participate?
I wonder just how much money is being saved by NOT funding commie-care?
This year, two years, ten years worth of savings?
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It’s better late than never, this could have a significant impact on the 2014 elections.
“What difference does it make”.
I mean, this is bad politics. Congress should pass individual stopgap spending bills to fund the military, VA, State Department, and other legitimate functions of government - and pass them one at a time in separate bills. Do not defund ObamaCare until all legitimate non-ObamaCare functions are funded at the desired level. Then, once it’s a question of shutting down just frivolous nonsense that is outside the scope of the Enumerated Powers, that is the time to face down Obama. If he wants to shut down HHS, that will get a big yawn from 80% of the country and 100% of productive members of society.