Tea party friction: Sen. Rand Paul lashes Ted Cruz approach to Russia and China

DallasNews.com ^ | 3:48 pm on September 10, 2013 | Todd J. Gillman

[SoConPubbie]

WASHINGTON

[SunkenCiv]

...a United Nations Security Council vote condemning Syria for attacking its own citizens with chemical weapons... "would unify the world against the regime and expose China’s and Russia’s support for this tyrant... we should make them veto it on the world stage... And if they do veto it, we should respond by, with respect to Russia, we should reinstate the anti-ballistic missile station in Eastern Europe that was canceled at the beginning of the Obama administration to appease Russia, and with respect to China, we should go through with selling the new F-16s to Taiwan that again this administration put the kibosh [on]."

[grania]

Cruz has a way to go in understanding the issue of globalist foreign intervention. Rand Paul has a way to go in understanding that we don't end the invasion of the US by acknowedging we can't get rid of the invaders.

Let's see where a meeting of the minds goes. After being so totally disappointed with Rubio traitoring us on immigration and Ayotte and Flake going against just about every word they campaigned on, I'm willing to give Cruz and Paul and the colalition they seem to be building time to coalesce.

At this point it's "show me the money". Cruz was against going into Syria. Rand Paul seems to be "getting it" on the invasion of the US issue with border security first. I'm not giving up on Rubio reaching that point.

These young Senators and HOR reps are evolving. Let's see which ones don't get sucked in by the DC fog.

[BarnacleCenturion]

"Cruz-Paul 2016"

That could work. But Rand has more experience so it should be the other way around.

They both attended the "Exempt America from Obamacare" rally last Tuesday:

[Praxeologue]

No one on Capitol Hill, including Cruz and Paul, understands, or will admit to understanding, what is really going on in Syria.

Persian Gulf oil money and a Muslim sympathizer in the White House are trying to replace secular Assad with a Sunni theocracy. Chemical attacks are both a pretext and a false flag lie. This is against U.S. interests and against the interests of the people of Syria and the region. It would only benefit the Saudi royal family, the Qataris, and perhaps the UAE.

No federal politician is speaking this truth and that goes for our putative heroes Cruz and Paul. Can we be excused for thinking that they have all been bought?

[God luvs America]

classic isn’t it??

we get all these hypocritical left wing career politicians who mindlessly nod their heads up and down like bobblehead dolls for obama, and who’ve helped put this country in the crapper, complain “freshman” (aka, non-career politicians) are running the GOP...and now the left wing media are joyously cheering that there may be a difference of opinion amongst a few...

[Gaffer]

I’m sorry Rand, but if you think you can distinguish yourself and win over Cruz you are mistaken. To my recollection, Cruz never said “defacto amnesty and we might as well better.....”

Everything I’ve seen of Cruz is 100% conservative solid American not hobbled by genetics of a crazy coot father IMO.

Better step off son and make a deal with Ted for 16 if you don’t want to end up completely irrelevant like your dad.

[OldNavyVet]

A saying from my brother, a US Army officer awarded three bronze stars ...

"Compromise and accomodation are both forms of moral dishonesty."

[BarnacleCenturion]

“they are two peas in a pod.”

It’s unfortunate that you had to come here to smear one of the GOP’s rising stars.

Are you happy with the job that Obama is doing? If not, please stop acting like another one of his useful idiots.

[jpsb]

" It would only benefit the Saudi royal family, the Qataris, and perhaps the UAE.

Spot on, I have been pointing out the same quite often. The Saudis have us by the short hairs and are yanking. Right now you can only buy Saudi oil (did other gulf oil states) with US dollars, should that ever change the US economy would collapses and there would be riots all across the nation.

We should bite the bullet, end the petro dollar deal, and take a few years or longer to fix our economy. A good first step would be to end the fed.

[jpsb]

I’d bet 28 was meant for you too, nice try. BTW Cruz and Paul have almost identical on illegals. Paul seemed to be going wobbly then steadied himself. It’s called evolving and as long has he is evolving in the right direction he has my support. I like Cruz too, but he has only been in office for a year.

[SoConPubbie]

That could work. But Rand has more experience so it should be the other way around.

So far, that vaunted experience seems to have brought the inner GOP-E or Big 'L' Libertarian in Rand Paul given he has his own clearly articulated Amnesty Plan.

Until he renounces that Amnesty Plan he should be nowhere near the VP position, much less POTUS.

[drypowder]

divide and conquer!! as Lois Lerner’s recently released email exposes, the ruling class is scared to death of the Tea Party.

[SoConPubbie]

I’d bet 28 was meant for you too, nice try. BTW Cruz and Paul have almost identical on illegals. Paul seemed to be going wobbly then steadied himself. It’s called evolving and as long has he is evolving in the right direction he has my support. I like Cruz too, but he has only been in office for a year.

So, tell me where he has renounced his own Amnesty plan he so clearly articulated as recently as March of this year?

The only thing he has renounced is Marco Rubio's plan, not his own.

Here are the links, from this year, where Rand Paul clearly lays out his own Amnesty plan for 2 million illegals per year, based on a "Certification" from a Pro-Amnesty congress that the border is "secure". No Fence, No E-Verify, No punishments for ID Fraud, and all the other misdemeanors and felonies committed by the Undocumented Democrats he wants to pardon.

Rand Paul’s “Undocumented Citizens” Path to Legality (and Citizenship) (March 20, 2013)

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform (March 19, 2013 Article)

Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify

Rand Paul Defends Immigration Reform: 'I've Got A News Flash' For Coulter And Limbaugh

No, America Does Not Have “De Facto Amnesty”

GOP's Rand Paul, Dems' Luis Gutierrez in step on immigration reform

Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not

Rand Paul On Illegals: Trust But Verify

Steve Deace – Et Tu, Rand Paul?

Paul: Republican Party in Need of Facelift

[grania]

Again, let’s wait for the actual voting. If we can get Rand Paul and even Rubio to say secure the borders and US jobs for US citizens first, that will go a long way toward them getting on board with constitutional conservatives.

[SoConPubbie]

I’d bet 28 was meant for you too, nice try. BTW Cruz and Paul have almost identical on illegals. Paul seemed to be going wobbly then steadied himself. It’s called evolving and as long has he is evolving in the right direction he has my support. I like Cruz too, but he has only been in office for a year.

From July of this year:

I think Nevada is and should be open to the message that the Republican Party needs to be more welcoming to immigrants,” Paul said. “I think the message for the Republican Party needs to be that we welcome you. If you want to work, we will find a place for you.”

Pressed on whether his opposition to the Senate bill makes him a flawed messenger on that front, Paul said he continues to favor immigration reform and is “working with members in the House to move something forward.”

He urged the House to consider adopting his own approach to reform, which involves creating a mechanism for Congress to ascertain whether the border is secure before undocumented immigrants achieve legal status.

[SoConPubbie]

Again, let’s wait for the actual voting. If we can get Rand Paul and even Rubio to say secure the borders and US jobs for US citizens first, that will go a long way toward them getting on board with constitutional conservatives.

Sorry, but anyone, ANYONE, promoting amnesty, whereby our electorate is flooded with 30 million+ Undocumented Democrats should be considered a Traitor to our cause and we, as conservatives, should be collectively saying NO to that individual where POTUS is concerned.

Unless Rand Paul is man enough to admit he was completely wrong positing a policy that provides Amnesty, we should all be saying in very definite terms NO!

[grania]

I’m not disagreeing. I’m saying let Rand Paul say now that the borders have to be secured first. Let him support EVerify as the law of the land for hiring and government benefits. Those two things will take care of a lot.

[BarnacleCenturion]

” let’s wait for the actual voting. “

They already voted. Paul and Cruz voted in the exact same way but SoConPubbie likes to pretend that didn’t happen.

The Cruz supporters here should keep their powders dry because it’s very unlikely that he’ll run for president anytime soon. He’s not doing very well in the early polls. After 8 years of Obama, I’m guessing that most people want to vote for someone who was born in the US, but I could be wrong.

[SoConPubbie]

I’m not disagreeing. I’m saying let Rand Paul say now that the borders have to be secured first. Let him support EVerify as the law of the land for hiring and government benefits. Those two things will take care of a lot.

I agree also, however, as we are all so sadly aware, just about every politicians use of the generic phrase "Secure Border" is drastically less secure that you and I, as common-sense conservatives, know it really means.

And that includes Rand Paul and he threw that term around to cover-up his own Amnesty Plan in copious amounts.

[alstewartfan]

I believe that Ted is running, but if not, I remain skeptical of Rand’s coddling of illegals. But hey, I like the guy. I just think that he is a bit eccentric. Bob