Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh
Sen. Ted Cruz hasn’t said whether he has presidential ambitions, but Sunday he won one of the first straw polls for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
The Texas Republican captured 45 percent of the 504 votes cast by attendees at the Western Conservative Summit, a day after drawing several standing ovations during his luncheon speech at the fourth annual conference.
“We shall see what sort of crystal ball summiteers have in awarding that decisive nod to Sen. Ted Cruz, who was so magnificent from this platform,” said John Andrews, founder of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which hosted the event.
Placing second was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who delivered the keynote address Friday at the three-day summit, with 13 percent of the vote.
Tied for third were Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and former Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, with 9 percent each. Mr. West was the conference’s featured speaker Sunday, while Mr. Paul received the most votes among those on the ballot who didn’t attend the conference.
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“At” is a point in time.
“By” is causal.
§ 1401 declares who shall be nationals and citizens of United States AT birth. Such persons are citizen at birth BY law.
The causal agent is operation of law. That law may vary causing a person to either be a citizen at birth or not at all.
A person born in country to citizen parent is a citizen BY birth.
The causal agent is birth. This person is always a citizen, this has never been doubted.
Naturalization statute may vest citizenship at any point. It may be at birth; or upon the naturalization of the parent(s); or, for those after 18 years of age, upon completion of a process.
A Certificate of Citizenship is issued upon request to a person born outside the United States who derived or acquired U.S. citizenship through a U.S. citizen parent. (documentation requirements must be met)
A Naturalization Certificate is issued to a person who became a U.S. citizen after 18 years of age through the naturalization process.
Do you hear me now?
But...I respect you and the Constitution and the need to be true to my integrity and the nation's integrity more than I like the personality "Ted Cruz".
Are you still listening?
This is a test. Remember, the concepts are what we fought for and still fight for, not political expediency.
If you have to break the Constitution to save the Constitution, you're doing it wrong.
And, I'm not going to do that with you and will fight against you. Why?
The Honor Code I grew up saying still says that's wrong.
Citizenship at birth is all that is required to meet the Natural Born Citizen requirement for POTUS.
Twist the rules all you want, but that is the truth of this matter. Twist logic and reason and the language all you want, but the truth remains:
Birthright Citizenship is exactly the same thing as Natural Born Citizenship.
Is he an American?
If yes, on what basis, and did that basis confer on him American citizenship AT BIRTH, or was he required to obtain NATURALIZED citizenship later on, as an adult?
The answer and the facts:
Blanket 'collective naturalization' citizenship under statute law. Cruz was granted US citizenship under the "1952 McCarran–Walter Immigration and Nationality Act". Without an act of Congress, Cruz may not have been a citizen at birth through collective naturalization.
If Cruz was born between 1922 (Cable act) and circa 1932, Cruz would have not been a US citizen at birth by being born in Canada or much of the time before 1922. Women lost their US citizenship upon marriage with foreigners because they would take the foreign citizenship from their husbands.
It is what the liberal jurist Ruth Bader Ginsberg called "The bad old days" (LoL) in her reference that women's US citizenship were tied to their husbands and fathers.
You are being very silly.
The Country does not agree with your view of the Constitution.
The Country has NEVER agreed with your view of the Constitution.
Your view has always been a minority view.
A very slim, very small minority.
Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen.
“He is a natural born citizen per Article 1 section 8 which vests Congress with the authority of making the rules of naturalization. Which they have codified in Title 8 Section 1401 subsection G that stipulates that Mr Cruz is a citizen at birth and thus has never needed naturalization.”If a person is a naturalized citizen they are not a natural born citizen.
Guess my shots have hit their mark?
Bless you, brother, you know not what you do.
Cruz became a Citizen at birth.
That is ALL that is required.
You do not understand the law at all.
Perhaps this is why NO legal authority agrees with you?
Which is not the same as being a natural born citizen that is the original intent of the authors of the US Constitution.
Very few people are fighting for this European rule that you want us to adopt. I have no doubt that most Americans are of the view that any American who was a citizen at birth is a "natural born citizen."
And, not one in a million will pretend that he remembers any civics teacher stressing that a natural born citizen can only be produced on American soil by two persons who were American citizens at the time of the child's birth. That notion did not come from any American textbook used in any American school, whether the school be junior high, high school, college or law school.
Cruz became a citizen at birth due to statute.
He is a naturalized citizen.
8 USC § 1408The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
The law applicable at an other time
The Naturalization Act of 1790Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.
Had Congress so chosen the laws codified as 8 USC § 1408 would have provision to declare certain persons "natural born citizen", just as Congress has chosen at other times. Congress made no such provision and the law does not have such provision.
The law (8 USC § 1408) states that Cruz is a citizen.
Baloney!
Citizenship at birth is exactly the same thing as Natural Born Citizen.
This was the intent of the Founders.
That others, then and now, had different intentions is of no legal consequence.
The majority of legal and political opinion has always been against you.
The majority of legal and political opinion in this country has always held that Natural Born Citizenship simply required that one became a Citizen by birthright, and nothing else.
Nonsense.
The statute was not “retroactive”.
The statute was in effect prior to and at the time of Cruz’s birth.
Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen.
In fact it says “...citizens of the United States at birth.” It’s in the very first sentence.
Sorry, you are incorrect. I showed where Mr Cruz was a citizen at birth according the laws of this nation and that those laws derive their authority from Congress and Congress from the Constitution.
Retroactive? What are you talking about?
You claim much for someone with no knowledge.
"Fake it till you make it" works better when starting out in sports or dating.
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