Posted on 07/13/2013 3:17:06 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
(CNN) -- After more than 12 hours of deliberation, the six women deliberating George Zimmerman's fate asked the court Saturday evening for clarification on the instructions regarding manslaughter, the judge said.
That couldn't have even been a question a few days ago: Judge Debra Nelson ruled Thursday, over the defense's vehement objection, to include manslaughter as an option for jurors, in addition to the second-degree murder charge. Their third option would be to find Zimmerman not guilty.
The question -- which was read out in court, without the jurors present, shortly before 6 p.m. -- was the first posed by the jury since late Friday afternoon, when they requested an inventory of evidence. Afterward, lawyers from both sides approached Nelson's bench; their comments could not be heard.
How long other juries deliberated for in other high-profile cases One of 1,009 fatal shootings in Florida in 2012, Trayvon Martin's death stood out -- the various threads of the story helping to capture the public imagination.
There was, for instance, the fact that an adult had fired on an unarmed teen, soon after police told him not to follow the 17-year-old. And there was the accusation of racial profiling: that Zimmerman -- the son of a Peruvian mother and a white American father, who identifies as Hispanic -- had singled out Martin, at least in part, because the teenager was black.
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W.R.O.N.G. this is a political (black) decision/ploy to make a “white hispanic” pay to appease the darker side of our society. Total BS! Lock ‘N Load!
It does if Zimmerman said he did but he didn’t. I just want to know the truth.
I forgot to add . . . thin the herd!
CNN just cannot tell a story without lying.
It actually may be good news. Perhaps they were asking what the penalty on conviction was. If so they may be more inclined to avoid that verdict if they got a straight answer.
Manslaughter is not "minor", it carries the same max penalty as murder 2. Life in prison.
Not an instruction. More like advice.
It was not a command or advice. It was basically a statement to protect the Authorities from a lawsuit if Z got hurt while following.
A lawyer obviously came up with this wording.
“Lesser charge is BS. That’s not the charge he was on trial for. Prosecutors doing this piss me off.” you have no idea how much this pisses me off!
I truly am tired of appeasing a segment of our society that does nothing more than take from us and offers nothing in return. Sh*t they won’t even maintain the housing we give them . . . WTF?
“Lesser charge is BS. That’s not the charge he was on trial for. Prosecutors doing this piss me off.”
The judge allowing this p*$$es me off. Can they impeach the judge for her awful handling of this case?
“this obsession with trying to please everybody cannot be done at the expense of individual freedoms.”
It’s not about trying to please everyone. It’s about trying to please people who either don’t understand or don’t care about what our laws mean. Policies have been replaced by emotions. Keeping the angry mob happy has become more important than reaching the right decision. This case is just the most widely televised current example. Unfortunately, what happens in this case is going to reshape a lot of how things are done going forward.
So if your brain is being smashed on the sidewalk and your nose is broken and you are in intense pain you can’t use force to defend yourself? Too bad Zimmerman isn’t gay.
Yup, they probably dealt with the 2nd degree murder portion of this first and disposed of it. Now they are looking at the Manslaughter portion. Having been on a jury before, this is they way it’s done. You take each charge individually to see if the facts of the case support it.
Is this sarcasm? Did you not watch the trial? TM hands were not bagged. That was testified to by the medical examiner and the scene of crime tech. The body was left in the rain for 3 hours. The clothes were bagged in plastic and molded and mildewed for a month and couldn’t be tested, testified to by multiple LE and pathologists at the trial. Hands were not swabbed, only one sample was taken from the finger nails. They don’t know if it represented 1 or 10 fingers. TM fingernails were bitten to the quick so no sample could be obtained of nails according to pathologist. I think you need to realize this was not handled as we are accustomed to from CSI!
According to the State of Florida, no.
The lack of Zimmerman’s blood on Martin is problematic; however, the state did not disprove Zimmerman’s contention that he was attacked and injured by Martin. The state only contended that Zimmerman’s injuries were not severe and did not justify deadly force. Unless someone can disprove Zimmerman’s claims and that the injuries were self-inflicted, then self-defense was justified.
At best, what we've cobbled together has been the fairest "justice" system the world has seen on such a grand scale; At worst...well...that we're about to see. And if the local courts and law CAN be routinely and selectively overruled by a corrupt-to-the-core centralized Politburo of ideologues, then the ramifications from this single case will be far-reaching and earth-shattering.
0bama and his fascist-communist "Hope & Change" is actually on trial; He and his bi-partisan, bi-racial cabal would like to believe "Whitey" and gun-owners are on trial.
Either it was self defense or it wasn’t, end of story.
Period. BUMP.
The since-deleted tweet, which came from @mark12394995, read “If Zimmmerman free imma shoot everybody in Zion [Illinois] causing a mass homicide, and ill get away wit it just like Zimmerman.”
Reasonable doubt is the elephant in the room, and cannot be overcome in either charge. As I guy I would have gone back already knowing NG and why are we wasting time. As a woman, my wife and all the women I know would go back knowing he was NG but want to discuss every detail first so no one can tell them they were wrong.
Now, that said, that is the naive me...with the purple lipped prince and this administration, I would have to believe any other finding than NG is the sole result of Holder's hand. And that requires no tin foil at all.
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