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FAA will require airline pilots to have at least 1,500 flight hours
Dallas Morning News ^ | 07/10/2013 | Terry Maxon

Posted on 07/10/2013 3:26:51 PM PDT by DFG

The Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday said it was making final a rule that says all commercial airline pilots hired by U.S. carriers will be required to have at least 1,500 hours of flight time.

The Air Line Pilots Association, which praised the new rule, said it goes into effect Aug. 1.

The FAA, in announcing that the rule will be published soon, said the new requirements were adopted in reaction to the crash of a Colgan Air airplane near Buffalo, N.Y., in 2009, in which both the captain and first officer were relatively inexperienced.

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1 posted on 07/10/2013 3:26:51 PM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG

I want a rule that says no Financial Analyst will be allowed to work unless they have 7 years experience.

That’ll make my cohort very happy and costly.

Just like Dentists who ensure Hygienists cannot hang a shingle.

Or Lawyers who don’t allow certain legal services without passing the bar.

Or Hairdressers who managed to outlaw black braiding shops without a license that required the licensee to know how to dye a blonde.

Can you say, “Restraint Of Trade?”

I knew you could.


2 posted on 07/10/2013 3:30:46 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

You are barely a pilot if you only have 1000 hours.

I have 2241 and consider myself a beginner.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 3:41:32 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: DFG

While I welcome the required experience, I dread how this will cause chaos in the schedules pilots will have with companies scrambling to cover a schedule they don’t have pilots for.

Nobody wants to be a pilot these days, but how can you blame them with training costs (which can be easily $100k) skyrocketing, and first year pay at regional carriers below $30k, and in some cases $20k. Even the majors start out at a marginally live able wage.

Foreign carriers?

That is another story...(much better)


4 posted on 07/10/2013 3:44:54 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: DFG

Is that 1,500 hour requirement met with any flight experience? Or is it as a commercial pilot? Or is it on a particular type of aircraft?


5 posted on 07/10/2013 3:51:43 PM PDT by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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The Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday said it was making final a rule that says all commercial airline pilots hired by U.S. carriers will be required to have at least 1,500 hours of flight time....

The FAA, in announcing that the rule will be published soon, said the new requirements were adopted in reaction to the crash of a Colgan Air airplane near Buffalo, N.Y., in 2009, in which both the captain and first officer were relatively inexperienced.

Which would have done zero, nil, zilch for Colgan Air Flt 3407.

Captain Marvin Renslow, age 47, had 3,263 hours, 110 hours in type.
FO Rebecca Lynne Shaw, age 24, had 2,200 hours with 772 hours in type.

This is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing.

6 posted on 07/10/2013 3:54:23 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Wildbill22

Chicago Transit Authority bus drivers make 60k without overtime.

And they get to go to sleep at their own house every night.

They may crush a car on occasion, but never fall out of the sky.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 4:05:39 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DFG

With appropriate exceptions for Selected, politically-correct minorities, of course.

I remember United hiring 200-hr Minorities and women from Purdue direct to the right seat in the 90’s, to meet quotas.

How long until the lawsuits begin, since this will CLEARLY be an obstruction-to-entry for Democrat supporters?


8 posted on 07/10/2013 4:07:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: dread78645

You could call this a gift to the fractional-jet folks, since they will no longer have to compete with the regionals for pilots, and can pay them peanuts.


9 posted on 07/10/2013 4:10:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

The regionals (and regional jets are not “regional”) are going to be in crisis mode soon for lack of pilots.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 4:23:57 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: tcrlaf

That’s a fact. United lost in court and was told they MUST hire them. I was a new captain on the B727 at United at the time. I would often get both a co-pilot and flight engineer that were brand new affirmative action hires that were useless. I felt like I was flying single pilot. lol


11 posted on 07/10/2013 4:26:42 PM PDT by Captain Steve
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To: DFG

This is no change for captains. They always had to have an ATP (1500 hrs) to fly captain for an airline. The change is that newly hired copilots must have 1500. That can be hard to get for a young new pilot, but it can be done. I had 3300 when I got my first airline job at age 26.


12 posted on 07/10/2013 4:30:08 PM PDT by Captain Steve
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To: TheThirdRuffian

What type of flight hours?


13 posted on 07/10/2013 4:32:54 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Wildbill22

They already are. There will be an implosion soon.


14 posted on 07/10/2013 4:43:53 PM PDT by Textide
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To: BwanaNdege

Long trips on the autopilot.


15 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:10 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: BwanaNdege

Just general aviation stuff, primarily in a Mooney Acclaim S.

I do have a multi-engine rating, because I thought I might want one in the mountains where I live, but I’ve been very pleased with the Acclaim. It’s plenty fast and I can land almost anywhere.

I’m a big/tall guy and just don’t fit in a commercial plane seat, so it’s not just a hobby; it’s my means of interstate transportation.


16 posted on 07/10/2013 4:47:07 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: dread78645

How about not letting guys captain that fail numerous checkrides?


17 posted on 07/10/2013 4:56:34 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: dread78645
Which would have done zero, nil, zilch for Colgan Air Flt 3407.

The families of the dead in the Colgan Air crash did what is now expected of survivors: they became crusaders to pass laws that would prevent a similar crash from ever occurring again. We have been hearing about them and listening to interviews of them on Buffalo media for years now.

The two pilots apparently didn't know the characteristics of the particular plane during icing conditions. Based on what I've read, Colgan Air was a rather slapdash outfit; now the entire airline industry will pay.

18 posted on 07/10/2013 5:01:05 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The imposition of a duty on the importation of a commodity burdens the consumers. --Ludwig Von Mises)
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To: BwanaNdege

From what I read in Flying, you can build up your hours by instructing at the school you trained at. Of course you still need the type rating, but now days the FAA will accept simulator time, like from FlightSafety, toward the 1500. Sure wish I was twenty years younger


19 posted on 07/10/2013 5:07:51 PM PDT by Sweating_Bullets (I have never prayed so hard ......)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
The number of hours isn't the important part. It is the quality of the hours. I flew for 15 years active duty in the Navy and only had about 3200 hours total time. With the exception of initial training it was all in multi-engine fighters. Lots of task loading, short duration sorties, relatively large sortie count.

The key in all aviation is to keep learning.

I know my strong points are out of control flight, high AOA aerodynamics, instrument flying, and single pilot cockpit management.

I know my weak points are a lot of the FAA/FAR/AIM regs I never learned as a young pilot.

It is all about keeping that learning process going throughout your flying "career." It doesn't always mean ponying up for an instructor. It might just mean going flying with another guy to see how they do business or reading the lastest articles in a publication about Mooneys. (Of course I will now be targeted by the CFI mafia.)

20 posted on 07/10/2013 5:09:27 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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