Five myths about Benghazi

The Washington Post ^ | May 16, 2013 | Michael Hirsh

[don-o]

1.U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice gave a deliberately false account of the attack.
2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans.
3.Obama and Clinton should not be blamed.
4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted.
5. Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP.

[don-o]

Interesting mix. Let's see what FReepers can do with this, besides drive by one liners.

[don-o]

for further pinging

[Uncle Miltie]

Does the WaPo even bother to edit what the White Hut sends them?

[GeorgeWashingtonsGhost]

As to #1, subpoena Susan Rice and ask her who ordered her to say that? And, Did she agree to do it in exchange for a promotion by 0bama?

"She had nothing to do with Benghazi" - President Barack Obama

[massgopguy]

There were 37 Americans at the Consulate. When the Libyans went to evacuate them they were expecting only 10. That was from Reuters.

[don-o]

My initial impression upon reading the whole thing is that, considering it’s the Post, it is fairly challenging to the regime on a couple of points and pretty weak on a couple - especially the military response.

If these ARE the Regime’s new talking points, might as well tackle them.

[Uncle Miltie]

1.U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice gave a deliberately false account of the attack. Everyone of our people on the ground said "terrorist attack", Susan Rice said "Video." Explain how that is not a deliberate lie, you first graders.

2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans. Our air-base in Sicily is 400 miles away, less than 1 hour for a scrambled jet. That was plenty of time to do several flyovers, drop bombs on the lased targets, etc. before the second two men died several hours after the first attack.

3.Obama and Clinton should not be blamed. The buck stops nowhere? See the two items above. Who is responsible for the lie and the deaths if not 0bama? 4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted. Except that Stephens did predict it, asked for better security, and got none.

5. Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP. The Libyan Prime Minister agrees someone manufactured the "Video" excuse. It wasn't the GOP.

[Triple]

Susan Rice lied. She ntentionally gave false information for her own benefit.

The video was a complete WH fabrication.

The “spontaneous protest gone bad” story is a complete WH fabrication.

The lie by omission is the failure to authorize any of the response options that were available and presented. (FEST, Sigonella, US Navy airpower, ect)

[Responsibility2nd]

4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted.

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Predicted? Hell this attack was FReepin’ PLANNED. By the White Hut. It’s not enough to know that the Obama Regime lied their Obama’s off after the fact - we need to know the truth of why they orchestrated this riot - gone - bad in the first place.

I’m in agreement with many experts who have insider info: This was a blind sheik for our kidnapped ambassador trade that went FUBAR. And FUBO knew from the get-got.

[don-o]

3.Obama and Clinton should not be blamed. The buck stops nowhere? See the two items above. Who is responsible for the lie and the deaths if not 0bama? 4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted. Except that Stephens did predict it, asked for better security, and got none.

Reading comprehension is important, Perhaps you could use a remedial course to understand that the Post is saying it is a MYTH that:

3. Obama and Clinton should not be blamed. and
4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted.

[Mike Darancette]

2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans.

A couple of F-18s and supporting aircraft buzzing the compound could have done some good.

But we owed it to the our people to roll at first report whether we thought we could do some good or not. The decision not to do so was political.

[fhayek]

Its actually sort of a balanced mix. They are saying that it is a myth that Obama and Clinton should not be blamed, and that it is a Psuedo scandal cooked up by the GOP. Also, number one is kind of true. Rice didn't give a "deliberately false account of the attack" per se, just a deliberately false account of the motivations for the attack.

[UCANSEE2]

Michael Hirsh is on the official list of JOURNOLISTS.

Here is a link to the list for reference. So far, all the Obama apologists have been members of the JOURNOLISTS list.

Isn’t that just odd ?

http://www.nachumlist.com/journoli.htm

[Lou Budvis]

Based on my knowledge of the facts currently at hand, I would say that this is fairly accurate except for Myth 1. It wasn’t a binary choice between youtube demonstation and pre-meditated Al-Q attack. If they didn’t want to get ahead of themselves, they could’ve just as easily said - We’re working on who did this. Instead, the administraton mislead the public for political purposes. The irony is that this probably would not have made the difference in the election one way or another.

I know that many here feel otherwise, but I just don’t see Benghazi as impeachment material. Feckless foreign policy, yes. Lack of preparedness, sure. The misleading of the public was bad, but it wasn’t under oath and all administrations spin foreign debacles, especially 2 months away from an election.

Obviously if there was ever proof that 0bama gave a stand-down order or otherwise impeded rescue efforts, there would be some real teeth to the scandal.

To me, the IRS scandal is much more of a threat to the administration. You can tell how sensitive they are by their phony attempts to address it.

[don-o]

I’m in agreement with many experts who have insider info:

I'd like to see if this thread could serve as a repository of information. I think the five points provide enough of a framework to help organize info that's out there and on this board.

Can you provide source for your claim that this was planned in the WH?

[Irenic]

Paula Broadwell, the biographer revealed as the woman having a secret affair with the now-former CIA director, gave a talk at the University of Denver on Oct. 26 in which she appeared to reveal sensitive, maybe even classified, information about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

The most interesting revelation is her claim that the CIA was holding several Libyan militia members prisoner, which may have prompted the attack.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/11/did_petraeus_mistress_reveal_new_benghazi_details

TEL AVIV – Did Paula Broadwell, the alleged mistress of ex-CIA Director David Petraeus, reveal a secret CIA detention center in Benghazi during a public speech she gave last month? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958286/posts

Freeper Dave Mellon http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:davemellon/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89009379@N04/8147136686/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89009379@N04/8147128385/in/photostream/

his youtube—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKRKHv742Y&feature=plcp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV55xRx_-7s

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*”Soon after I made my calls, one of the guards told me that four men were detained in a building inside the compound who had been shooting at the demonstrators,” he said.

“By the time I arrived at the building the men had already escaped. At that point I left the scene and didn’t return.”*

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/10/2012101921132197668.html

Days before the demonstrators forced Ansar al-Sharia from their Benghazi headquarters, Al Jazeera interviewed a senior member of the militia, and visited a hospital where it was, until Friday, providing security.

The spokesperson, who asked to be quoted by the pseudonym Abu Mohammed, said that the militia had nothing to do with the attack. Ansar al-Sharia was against the killings and looting of the consulate, he said, denying reports from witnesses that its members were photographed at the September 11 protest.

“We are busy guarding our bases and the hospital [on the night of the attack]. We did not order our members to go to the protest,” he said. “We welcome all the Western countries that help us.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/09/201292218380199890.html

[Mike Darancette]

The article agrees with you, the attack could be predicted. What is enumerated are myths (logical negations).

[RetiredTexasVet]

1.U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice gave a deliberately false account of the attack.
2. A faster military response would have saved at least some of the four Americans.
3.Obama and Clinton should not be blamed.
4. The Benghazi attack could not have been predicted.
5. Benghazi is a pseudo-scandal manufactured by the GOP.

1. Susan Rice knew the talking points were a big lie.
2. Military Ready Response teams were on minutes alert and could have been there from the middle East, Africa or Europe....it doesn’t take 6-10 hours to get from Italy to Libya if you are on alert.
3. Obama and Clinton should be blamed for gun running, screwing up the gun running and then lying about it.
4. The attack was predicted by the CIA and other intelligence weeks and days in advance.
5. Benghazi is a real scandal of Obama, his lackey administration and MSM gross incompetence.

[dila813]

Some of this can’t be called a myth and can’t be called fact either.

We are trying to get to the bottom of it.

[don-o]

JOURNOLISTS.

Forgive me, but so what? I'm interested in what he posted today, and what smart and knowledgeable FReepers might be able to do with the framework he made.