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10 European colonies in America that failed before Jamestown
National Constitution Center ^ | Tue, May 14, 2013..

Posted on 05/15/2013 3:01:48 PM PDT by presidio9

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61 posted on 05/15/2013 7:29:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: gop4lyf
Your ancestor.

John Price, from Wales.

Apologies, though I did qualify "If from England". I still find the history of America and the original colonists fascinating. He probably had a good singing voice.

62 posted on 05/15/2013 7:32:36 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Pharmboy

My pleasure, thanks Pharmboy.


63 posted on 05/15/2013 7:32:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: presidio9; SunkenCiv
Port Royal, New France could not be considered a failed colony. It had some hiccups but remained a going concern, and today is known as Annapolis, Nova Scotia. My own ancestors were among its original settlers and the family still has a strong presence there and throughout Nova Scotia. It was the first successful European settlement in north of present-day Florida. The French colonists had plenty of incentive to stick it out because Bourbon France was a third-world hellhole.


64 posted on 05/15/2013 8:19:31 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

My family can be traced back to before Port Royal was established in 1605. The Catholic Church kept excellent records.


65 posted on 05/15/2013 8:21:54 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: yarddog

Currie is a very common name in Eastern Canada. Most of Canada’s early settlers were either French or Scottish; most of our English settlers were Loyalists fleeing the American Revolution. Prior to the 18th century most of the English here were transients working the fur trade.


66 posted on 05/15/2013 8:25:31 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Inyo-Mono; sean327

Mine arrived in New France (now Nova Scotia) in the late 1540s so I’ve got you both beat :p


67 posted on 05/15/2013 8:28:42 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: presidio9; muawiyah

The challenge isn’t building boats, it’s navigation. Without a compass and a reliable timepiece, you can’t safely venture very far from the sight of land.


68 posted on 05/15/2013 8:31:09 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The Norse settlement was primarily a trading post- they engaged in commerce with the Innu and Inuit, exchanging metal tools for walrus ivory. A similar pattern emerged when the English arrived here, trading manufactured goods for fur. North America’s oldest corporation, the Hudson’s Bay Company, was established by Royal Charter for the specific purpose of supplying Europe with furs.


69 posted on 05/15/2013 8:40:00 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: vladimir998

Not to mention no way of navigating over open water...


70 posted on 05/15/2013 8:40:56 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar)
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To: Squawk 8888
Um, I'm pretty sure Christopher Columbus did not have a reliable timepiece.

I know for a fact that Leif Errikson sailed to Nova Scotia before the compass was introduced to Scandinavia.

71 posted on 05/15/2013 11:31:33 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: vis a vis

> My family was on Godspeed II ;-).....Does your family still love in Virginia?

Sadly, no. They have scattered everywhere.
Fourteen years ago, I visited the Jamestown Settlement and, with the help of a nice woman from the Virginia Society for the Preservation of Antiquities, was able to find my ancestor on a ship’s manifest. I’d read the same manifest but didn’t see the entry. This very sharp lady found it in a heartbeat. The family name had a slightly different spelling that is used today and I just missed it.


72 posted on 05/16/2013 4:32:47 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Squawk 8888
There are ways ~ the Polynesians did it. Of course they had vessels capable of sailing the Pacific. The Chinese (related to the Polynesians, et al) built enormous catamarans that could have sailed everywhere on Earth if they wanted ~ but they didn't want.

You can use natural feldspar stone to find the Sun ~ that's been around for thousands of years (polarized light always gives it away).

For purposes of navigating the Mediterranean, Black Sea and waterways in Asia early man concocted a sort of celestial map ~ principal stars in constellations were related to points on the ground that might be notable landmarks or even oracle sites. That way if you got lost, you'd stop on the shore and ask the locals where such and so was and they'd tell you, then you could relate that to the celestial map and be on your way.

No clock ~ no compass ~ just a map!

Modern navigation aids enable you to travel the most efficient route ~ but without them you can still get to where you are going.

73 posted on 05/16/2013 5:04:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Verginius Rufus
There's a plant called CLOUD BERRY. It's a relative of the raspberry but it lives mostly in subarctic areas. Grows all over Scandinavia and North Asia, as well as Iceland and Greenland and the new Shinnecock Indian 'reservation/cultural center' ~ it's not common anywhere else in the US.

The Vikings supposedly loved this berry and took starts with them wherever they went.

If you want to know where Vikings went in North America, I'd start at Shinnecock.

74 posted on 05/16/2013 5:14:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Travis McGee

1565 is a bit earlier.


75 posted on 05/16/2013 6:21:02 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: livius

Actually, Fort Caroline in what is now Jacksonville, was established in 1563/64 by French Huguenots (Protestants). Spanish conquistador Menendez came with a fleet of ships and a thousand men the next year, conquored the Huguenot settlement—and after the battle, when the French civilians refused to convert to Roman Catholicism...SLAUGHTERED THEM ALL. Then Menendez went back and established St. Augustine.

This was before the onset of the religious wars in Europe—where later tens of thousands were killed for their religion—and Menendez’ slaughter shocked even jaded Europeans.

Something around 500 French Protestants were executed by the founder of St. Augustine...


76 posted on 05/17/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns; muawiyah; livius; Tennessee Nana

When growing up, my Favorite book was “The Flamingo Feather” by kirk monroe. It was written in 1854 and details the Ft Caroline colony and a boy that was abandoned when the Spanish destroyed the colony. He became Indian royalty.

Recently headed to Florida Keys my wife wanted to go out to Jacksonville Beach. I didn’t want to go but did. On the way out off I 95 she noticed Ft Caroline National Historical Park. To my astonishment it was the site of the plot of the Flamingo Feather. I had poured overmaps at various times for at least 40 years speculating where it was. My thought it was further north at the St Mayr’s river. I didn’t miss the park because it wasn’t there. It is recent, established after my various hunts for the site. It is sort of an NPS diversity effort...... include the French

Any way, there was a fantastic book there for sale. “The Three Voyages” by Rene Laudonniere, a Hugenot. It goes into great detail describing the three voyages the author made in 1562-1565 to Ft Caroline. It has details of the problems internal and external with the Indians and the Spanish. It has great detail and woodcuts of Indian life. It describes expeditions by the colonists to as far away as western NC and possibly east Tennessee.

The book is first hand recounting of the effort and pain required by those tremendously adventurous souls that colonized America. I strongly recommend it and of course The Flamingo Feather


77 posted on 05/17/2013 6:36:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: presidio9; bert

My family were late arrivals...

They didnt arrive in the New World until 1623/24

Jesse De Forest was my 9th great grandfather...he took the Pigeon to Dutch Guinea and died there...son Isaac who arrived in 1637 had the first or one of the first breweries and taverns in NYC...on Brewers/Stone Street..

Another 9th gg Phillippe Du Trieux arrived on the Neiuw Nederlandt to NYC... Jesse De Forest had arranged for the group of 30 Walloon/Huguenot families to come here from Leyden...the first settlers in the area...

3 of the Du Trieux daughters are my ancestors...Maria married Jan Peeke of Peekskill..Sarah married Isaac De Forest...Rebecca married Simon Simonszen Groot...


78 posted on 05/17/2013 7:16:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bert
Thanks for the info. BTW, the Coligny expedition to found a colony started at St. Malo, which is in Brittany. Most of the members of the expedition were Breton, not French, and even the Coligny family were essentially Bourbonnaise who had married up into rural Breton nobility.

A peculiar thing happened to the Protestant reformation in Britanny. The rural nobles became Protestant but the city and town nobles stayed Catholic. The peasantry, as ever incredibly conservative, were probably still worshipping the devil on Samhain for all anybody knows, but they were of no help to the Protestants or the Catholics.

One of the stranger things was the Breton liberation movement. They sought to remove French suzerainity and replace it with Spanish (or Hapsburg) suzerainity. In the end, at the end of the religious wars, many Protestant Bretons went to Spain and the Spanish new world while the Catholics sought to pursue an attempt to acquire property in what became Canada.

During the 1500s a great number of Bretons captained or served as officers on board ships plying the trade routes to the Pacific, Indian and South Atlantic destinations. They hopped on the whaling business in the 1700s as well.

They still aren't French!

79 posted on 05/17/2013 11:19:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

the “Swedes” there in the early 1500’s were probably Norwegian fishermen. Norwegian and Basque fishermen frequently fished the Grand Banks before Colombus.

And the “proof” of the Vikings settlement is actually a spindlewhorl found in ancient housing. Local Amerindians didn’t use spindlewhorls.


80 posted on 05/17/2013 8:13:16 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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