As buzz mounts, Ted Cruz’s White House eligibility again questioned

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[Perdogg]

Ted Cruz’s address at the annual South Carolina Republican Party dinner Friday helped feed growing speculation that the freshman senator from Texas is eyeing a run for the White House in 2016 — and raised yet another round of questions about his eligibility to serve in the Oval Office.

Mr. Cruz was born in Canada to an American-born mother and Cuban-born father, and was a citizen from birth — but that Canadian factor puts him in the company of other past candidates who have had their eligibility questioned because of the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”

[DiogenesLamp]

There is also the Cable act of 1922, but it was not as extensive as the citizenship act of 1934. I just usually use the Citizenship act of 1934 because it saves explaining.

[BfloGuy]

That law may have provided citizenship AT birth. But like the Puerto Ricans it is a form of naturalization.

If a law confers citizenship at birth, I should think the person natural-born. What is the law you refer to?

[DiogenesLamp]

If a law confers citizenship at birth, I should think the person natural-born. What is the law you refer to?

So if a law is passed that grants citizenship to anyone in the world that has any American Relatives, this would meet the standard for "natural citizen" as far as you are concerned?

Who knew that congress could change the meaning of the US Constitution simply by passing laws? All this time I thought it took an Amendment to change the meaning. Now I know it only takes a law!

[WildHighlander57]

I believe cruz’ dad was a Mexican citizen when Cruz was born.

His mom was an American citizen when Cruz was born.

They were working in a business in canada at the time of cruz’ birth.

But his parents were married, and it looks like his mom was old enough and lived in the u.s. long enough (5 yrs past her 14 th birthday.)

But those dates have to be checked.

Then check what changes were made (other than eliminate quotas) to the 1952 INA rules.

[Jeff Winston]

Moderator: I am wondering why people like this poster (DiogeneseLamp) are being allowed to post here and refer to the words of our Founding Fathers as "horse sh*t."

And of course here is that load of utter horse sh*t which you persist in posting and misrepresenting as supporting your argument.

Far too much crap to address on a point by point basis. Fortunately, no body bothers reading it and being mislead by it.

By "horse sh*t," you mean the words of James Madison, one of our foremost Founding Fathers, and Framers - the "Father of Our Constitution."

James Madison

By "horse sh*t," you mean the words of our First Congress, which (aside from James Madison) included 5 other signers of the Constitution:

Framer Abraham Baldwin, Signer of the Constitution

Framer Daniel Carroll, Signer of the Constitution

Founding Father George Clymer, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

Framer Thomas Fitzsimons, Signer of the Constitution

Revolutionary War Soldier and Framer Nicholas Gilman, Signer of the Constitution

By "horse sh*t," you mean the words of Alexander Hamilton, extremely influential Framer without whom we may well never have HAD the Constitution.

Alexander Hamilton, Framer, Primary Author of The Federalist, and Major Advocate for Our Constitution

And by "horse sh*t," you mean the words of many other of our greatest Patriots, Revolutionaries and early legal experts, including: the Marquis de Lafayette, St. George Tucker, Chancellor James Kent, William Rawle, Zephaniah Swift, and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story.

[okie01]

I believe cruz’ dad was a Mexican citizen when Cruz was born.

Cruz' father was a Cuban refugee, who had been captured and tortured by Castro.

[bluecat6]

The law that makes Puerto Ricans NATURALIZED citizens AT birth.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/chapter-12/subchapter-III/part-I

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/United_States_Naturalization_and_Citizenship#Collective_Naturalization_.5B1.5D.5B4.5D

Note from the link above:

“Collective Naturalization [1][4]

In some instances, entire groups have been collectively granted U.S. citizenship. Collective naturalization is defined as a group of people all receiving their citizenship through an act of congress or treaty. In these cases you will not find individual naturalization papers.

In 1868, African-Americans were made citizens by the Fourteenth Amendment of the Unites States Constitution. In 1924, Native Americans were finally made citizens, although some chiefs of tribes became citizens before this date. The Native Americans were not included in the Fouteeneth Amendment because they were considered a seperate nation.

Collective naturalization also occurred for residents of the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, Texas in 1845, and Hawaii in 1898. “

Notice who is ‘collectively naturalized’ - those who receive their citizenship via the 14th Amendment.

More...

http://info.dhhs.state.nc.us/olm/manuals/dma/fcm/man/MA3332-07.htm

From above

“The following will establish U.S. citizenship for collectively naturalized individuals:

A. Puerto Rico
...”

http://www.dhs.state.or.us/spd/tools/additional/workergd/birth_cer.htm

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/1999/title8/chap12/subchapiii/parti/sec1402/

The claim that ‘citizen at birth’ = ‘natural born Citizen’ is complete and total lie.

But in the world of the last 5 years and looking forward - anything is possible by those who wish to twist the protect of a ‘strong check’ against foreign influence.

[bluecat6]

BTW, if you need a positive law (law written by men) to confer citizenship then you are not a natural citizen. Natural citizens need no law.

By pointing to a law to depend on you are proving that the people affected by that law are not natural (born) Citizens.

I am a natural born Citizen. I know that because there is no law at all that makes me so.

[X-spurt]

The Cable Act clearly is not germane toward Presidential NBC.

The Citizenship Act gives citizenship to anyone born outside the USA to either citizen Father or Mother. It does not specifically mention nor address NBC.

[WildHighlander57]

Okie01,

My bad :0

You’re right, Cruz’ dad was a Cuban citizen who “ got outta dodge”.

We need Cruz in the senate, he’s a bulldog!

[X-spurt]

be great for Texas, but bad for the Republicans. No way they ever win the presidency again with Texas

That reply is way too obtuse for this ol country boy.

[X-spurt]

Well, you guys were sounding like you knew. Figured I should ask an expert.

As I posted on a similar thread last night, there is more NBC misinformation than there was on who was getting any in high school.

[Dagnabitt]

Cruz acquired citizenship at birth, just like McCain. The courts, if challenged by the lefty version of birtherism, would brush aside NBC arguments, worthy or not, and affirm him eligible to serve as President. All the Venn diagrams in the world wouldn’t change the outcome.

I would welcome a Cruz candidacy.

[X-spurt]

LV Ron, I did know about Minor, its just that no court case can set a Constitutional precedent unless it directly is in answer to the NBC question regarding POTUS. Minor nor any other case or Act does so directly enough.

All this NBC scuffling is fun and energizing, but when it all boils down we’ll find it all went up in steam.

I am confident had the Founders imagined NBC would ever get so contorted, they would have been more specific rather than assuming everyone would always just know. For that reason, I would bet that SCOTUS would never touch Presidential NBC with a 10 foot pole.

If it is ever clarified, it will be due to a Constitutional Amendment and a Constitutional Convention scares most everyone like they just caught their parents doing it.

[Nero Germanicus]

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA (Immigration & Naturalization Act) provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

[ObligedFriend]

“The State Bar of California details that William Bryan of the Fogbow has a history of disciplinary actions based on his failure to provide his clients appropriate legal assistance, a condition that stems from manic depression, substance abuse and a history of family problems.”

Manic depression, substance abuse.

“In his various posts, William Bryan justifies the lying as part of an elaborate campaign the OBOTs conduct to “punk birthers,” with tactics that have included falsifying documents, influencing court proceedings and harassing ordinary citizens who dare to question Obama’s eligibility to be president.”

“Under the cover of his username, Bryan and his associates have engaged in an aggressive campaign to disrupt any and all attempts to pursue legal challenges to Obama’s eligibility, while seeking to ridicule in vile and abusive terms those who dare advance or support publicly such legal efforts”
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/William-Bryan/1651035324

[Jeff Winston]

Nothing that you post about some random guy on the internet (nor your inference or claim that he is me) changes or disguises the fact that your claim - that it takes birth on US soil plus two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen - ais proven, false, Constitution-twisting bullcrap.

[Jeff Winston]

Cruz acquired citizenship at birth, just like McCain. The courts, if challenged by the lefty version of birtherism, would brush aside NBC arguments, worthy or not, and affirm him eligible to serve as President. All the Venn diagrams in the world wouldn’t change the outcome.

They're not worthy.

In fact, the astonishing thing is a) what bullcrap all of the arguments really are, and how ill-founding, and b) their persistence in spite of that.

The fact is, there are a number of people who are determined not only to hang on to a false meme, but to spread it as far as they possibly can.

They don't care about the truth. They don't care about the Founding Fathers.

Heck, we just had one of the birthers here describe the words of our Founding Fathers and early legal experts as "horse sh*t." Why? Because what they had to say clearly doesn't agree with the birther meme.

Earlier (I think in this thread) I posted about 30 quotes from Founding Fathers and our early legal experts and other early sources that make plain what people between 1787 and 1850 thought "natural born citizen" meant, and what was required for Presidential eligibility.

Everyone agreed it meant "born in the United States" or "born a citizen."

Virtually nobody thought it required citizen parents, or that people born in the US to non-citizens were anything but citizens. As far as I can tell, only two examples of people who tried to make either of those cases prior to 1850 have ever been produced.

One was by David Ramsay, in a sore-loser campaign to have the guy who beat him for the First Congress declared ineligible. Ramsay was slapped down in a 36-to-1 vote that was led by James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, and joined by every other signer of the Constitution in the first House. There were 6 of them in all.

The other was an obscure Pennsylvania judge whose authority extended to several counties. He was absolutely contradicted by all of the national-level authorities who ever spoke on the matter prior to 1850.

It's all BS. Totally. According to the authorities of early America, "natural born citizen" meant "born in the US" or "born a citizen."

[ObligedFriend]

“The natives or natural born citizens are those born in the country to citizen parents.”

US Supreme Court

[ObligedFriend]

William Bryan, posting on the Internet has sought to protect Obama from legal scrutiny over eligibility questions by employing tactics designed to confuse, block, disorganize and discredit political enemies.

We have a match.