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To: Perdogg

Cruz acquired citizenship at birth, just like McCain. The courts, if challenged by the lefty version of birtherism, would brush aside NBC arguments, worthy or not, and affirm him eligible to serve as President. All the Venn diagrams in the world wouldn’t change the outcome.

I would welcome a Cruz candidacy.


213 posted on 05/06/2013 6:25:05 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Dagnabitt
Cruz acquired citizenship at birth, just like McCain. The courts, if challenged by the lefty version of birtherism, would brush aside NBC arguments, worthy or not, and affirm him eligible to serve as President. All the Venn diagrams in the world wouldn’t change the outcome.

They're not worthy.

In fact, the astonishing thing is a) what bullcrap all of the arguments really are, and how ill-founding, and b) their persistence in spite of that.

The fact is, there are a number of people who are determined not only to hang on to a false meme, but to spread it as far as they possibly can.

They don't care about the truth. They don't care about the Founding Fathers.

Heck, we just had one of the birthers here describe the words of our Founding Fathers and early legal experts as "horse sh*t." Why? Because what they had to say clearly doesn't agree with the birther meme.

Earlier (I think in this thread) I posted about 30 quotes from Founding Fathers and our early legal experts and other early sources that make plain what people between 1787 and 1850 thought "natural born citizen" meant, and what was required for Presidential eligibility.

Everyone agreed it meant "born in the United States" or "born a citizen."

Virtually nobody thought it required citizen parents, or that people born in the US to non-citizens were anything but citizens. As far as I can tell, only two examples of people who tried to make either of those cases prior to 1850 have ever been produced.

One was by David Ramsay, in a sore-loser campaign to have the guy who beat him for the First Congress declared ineligible. Ramsay was slapped down in a 36-to-1 vote that was led by James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, and joined by every other signer of the Constitution in the first House. There were 6 of them in all.

The other was an obscure Pennsylvania judge whose authority extended to several counties. He was absolutely contradicted by all of the national-level authorities who ever spoke on the matter prior to 1850.

It's all BS. Totally. According to the authorities of early America, "natural born citizen" meant "born in the US" or "born a citizen."

218 posted on 05/06/2013 8:13:21 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Dagnabitt
You may also be interested in my latest post, which covers the legal end, and provides an accurate summary of US v. Wong Kim Ark, the case that has actually defined the citizenship status of persons born on US soil.

Of course, the entire case is available online for you to read. Both the majority and minority opinions are informative, although in my opinion, having read so much of the underlying history at this point, the majority opinion is on solid ground, and the minority opinion mostly is not.

My opinion is that the Court got it right on this one. They don't on every decision, but this one is in line with our previous history and law.

The minority opinion recognized that the majority's ruling meant that Wong Kim Ark would be eligible to run for President.

224 posted on 05/06/2013 9:25:39 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Dagnabitt

The courts will brush aside any argument. If the shadow of an American fell across someone, the courts would rule them eligible. It is an article with no useful purpose at this point.


238 posted on 05/07/2013 6:04:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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