Posted on 03/23/2013 2:11:02 PM PDT by BurningOak
With that said and meant, this shift is altogether unsurprising. The new mark of being culturally acceptable is affirming homosexuality as virtuous (not merely okay, but virtuous, even exemplary). This is the litmus test. I don’t think many of us expected that it would so quickly fill this role, but it has. The mark of being a progressive, kind, socially courageous person today is simply this: affirming same-sex marriage. There are other cardinal virtues of a contemporary au courant identity, but this is the lodestar, the one that hangs one’s personal moon.
This shows us that the cultural middle is indeed vanishing. The space where broad-minded people could hang out is rapidly disappearing. Either you are for same-sex marriage or not. If you’re not, and you’re a known commodity, you’re now behind the curve in a public, image-driven sense. Expect in coming days to see a veritable torrent of declarations of affirmation of SSM. Celebrities, news anchors, intellectuals, politicians, religious types, tycoons, and many more are heading to the pro-marriage exits. They’re going to be calling press conferences as quickly as they can. They’ll be getting into line with the value that drives the New Cultural Acceptance: affirming same-sex marriage.
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same here.
I couldn;t careless if I and my family were the last people on this earth who stood for normal marriage as I will never accept that perversion.
The disease, what they have sex with, etc disgusts me and it will never mean they are married and sofr their key words like equality
Please equality and every argument can be used for any kind of marriage so that is all a cop out.
agree, the polls and media is all left wing, and like another freeper told me the other day.
around 35% of the media is a homosexual as is Hollywood and they mention this issue every day and have a bully pulpit to do so.
Anyone thinking the media and polls are telling the truth are living in la la land.
I’m not holding out much in this decision because these judges and their wives or husbands go to their cocktail parties with these people and they won;t want to upset them and know they might be outcasts in the DC elitist cocktail partt scene.
At best we might get state rights becuase if they scrap that too themn millions upon tens of millions of votes have been cast aside and ignored.
polls mean nothing as people say one thing and thnk another and I know a few who do that .
Also the polls are scewed to suit their agendas and lets not forget the polls and media are left wing for the most part.
If our side had any guts and stopped the fake conservatives from using our platforms to spout their agendas, like Paul, if they had the guts to stand on conservative social issues from the get go then we would not be at ths point.
If churches, talk radio and other talking heads had defended marriage then we would not be at this point and if they act surprised then they are cowards as most conservatives knew this was coming
If anyone ever tewlls me that they are married or homosexuals are married then I will tell them that they are ot, they;re in a sham , they;re fooling themselves and if they get this decision then the next step is ot teach this in all schools, to then lower the age of consent to 12 years old and then BINGO.
the homosexuals get their way after all these years, sex with little boys
To hell with them as I will never accept their lifestyle
agree, we can talk about that side of the issue but it will not work but if we mention the health risks, repulse people in how they have sex and it certainly works, sex with feces is sick, living less, the diseases, then it would wake the wishy cowards on our side and the middle up
obama never got voted in because he wants turd pokers , he got where he was because of massive fraud in the Dem controlled counties in the swing states.
The media is left wing for the most part
The polls are mostly left wing or eltiist types in DC
Since the left likes ot mention polls then they do they also ignore other polls on guns or how about asking.
is having sex with feces healthy, mmm I wonder what that poll would say.
Do children do better when they have a mother and a father?
wonder what that poll would say, mmmmm
Polls are nothing but a propaganda machine to further an agenda.
Also people say one thing to a pollster and anotehr what they think.
As for polling, er where, I know around here in north FL and even most I know up in MA when I worked up there they are opposed to homosexual marriage.
The left have been doing this for years, hell they had it written down back in 1963, weather underground later said it was about destroying normal couples and marriage.
They used the Alinsky tactics
Anyone not seeing the lies and drama from these people need to wake up and it woudl have helped if the cowards on our side would actually have mentioned this years ago , eople like Hannity, Rush etc who think they should stay on the debt and spending or health care to play it safe
there a cowards on here even who never speak up about marriage, talk radio, our party which let in non republicans like Paul to spout their agendas.
To hell with them
Thanks for the heads up.
Usually, I do not trust polls unless I can see the FULL documentation on the poll: questions asked, sample size, sample distribution, standard of error, discarded responses (yes, there are discarded responses), etc. I say this because I took a class in university which covered polling (Political Statistics what the class). After seeing how polls can be massaged, I do not trust a poll unless I can see the full documentation on it.
Agree.
These polsl which the left wraps themselves around are usualy one sided, how many Dems were asked, how many conservatives, how many non party, where was they asked, were they all in the north east and CA or all in MS, AL, north FL where I am , GA, SC.
I’ll agree that they do have the upper hand because they have been working on this for decades , hell they even had it all written down for us to see.
They took the media over, the schools over and got lawyers to set up groups to sue others and then got the hate laws and bully laws passed to stop kids from saying anything to these freaky kids
If you're stuck on not believing polls, you are just refusing to accept reality. Didn't we hear enough of "the polls are wrong" nonsense in the last election? Remember all that stupid "unskewed" polls crap that was going around on conservative websites? Lots of conservatives and Republicans thought the polls were wrong, yet most of them turned out to be very accurate - which is the reason little liberal jerks like Nate Silver (NY Times) were nearly 100% accurate with their predictions.
of course the polls got it wrong but they can;t account for someone voting more than once, illegals voting, dead people voting, bags of votes found lke what was seen here in this state, certain other votes being ignored and yes they now have just found that cyber fraud was also done in this state and yes it’s always going for the left .
I know what I know from the people I know, who are around me, from my kids and their friends and trust me they know many people, at work, wifes family and they do not go along with these polls and lets not forget that people lie in polls.
I know some who led to the polls over this issue but voted otherwise because they thought that if they said they opposed the feces pushing agenda then they might have teir names taken.
I know that is not wwhat would ahppen, or hope not but for some people they actually think that and live in fear of a radical homosexual agenda.
In this state when we were gong to vote the homsoexuals came down here from MA and DC and sued to get the names of those who wanted the amendment made public
The polls were not wrong, they were right. In fact, the state polls were so accurate that people who relied on them called all 50 states correctly in the last presidential election. We did not lose the election because of vote fraud. If you are still hanging your hat on polls being wrong or the idea we lost because of fraud, you are just refusing to accept reality.
I know what I know from the people I know, who are around me
Huh?
I think you are offering anecdotal evidence and it is entirely worthless. There are some places, particularly rural, that are voting increasingly Republican/conservative. But the country has changed. It's become more urban and less rural, minority populations are growing rapidly and if you are not in one of these densely populated urban(ish) areas you may not realize that the country is changing under your feet.
I know some who led to the polls over this issue but voted otherwise because they thought that if they said they opposed the feces pushing agenda then they might have teir names taken
Sure, there is always a few people that lie to pollsters, but polling is a science and most are not lying. I know you don't want to believe it, but the majority of the country now seems to be okay with homo marriage, homo's in the military, etc. It's a terrible thing, but the left has used their power in the education, media and entertainment establishments to convince a majority of Americans that gay is a-ok.
I know that is not wwhat would ahppen, or hope not but for some people they actually think that and live in fear of a radical homosexual agenda.
Most people are not living in fear of the homosexual agenda. The vast majority of Americans are politically ignorant and don't even understand what the homosexual agenda even is.
This article gives some good info on it-
http://www.theopedia.com/Emerging_Church
IMHO, it’s basically just revamped liberalism and relativism.
Voter fraud in this state was massive, one only has to either look at the demographics, the charges being brought forward to even last week, the people who you talk to, the people who admit they did vote in OH and FL as students as I have, the dead being found to have voted and the amount of more people voting against obama but now he wins and even illegals voting which have been found then I'll take that and others can just ignore the data and what they see
LOL, so my views and the people I talk to are worthless, maybe in your view so I'll just say this. I disagree.
Actually I ma sorry do agree about how the homosexuals have used this agenda as a cool thing, used media and the schools.
While we disagree on a few things we do agree on how the radical left, the communists and the homosexuals have got to this point
I said anecdotal evidence is worthless. You, your family, all your friends, etc, could be casting ballots for Republicans and it doesn't tell us squat about how the rest of the country is voting. When it comes to elections, the country is increasingly segregating itself. We are coming to a time where you could live in a rural area and virtually everyone votes for the conservative/Republican candidate, yet that candidate will lose because of overwhelming preference for Democrats in the growing urban areas (cities). Demographics are changing rapidly, but if you don't live in or around a big urban area you might not notice the change.
It's very simple. We are getting clobbered by minority voters. There are just not enough white people moving to the Republican party fast enough to make up for the massive growth in minority voters who overwhelmingly cast ballots for Democrats. You can refuse to accept this is you'd like, but eventually you won't be able to deny the obvious truth.
While we disagree on a few things we do agree on how the radical left, the communists and the homosexuals have got to this point
Yup, and we agree it is terribly destructive for this country. I honestly don't know if we can recover from the damage - at least not in our lifetimes. Maybe a few generations from now things will be different. In the meantime we just fight for the right things and hope we can make a difference.
My wife and I had this discussion and I brought up the 20’s and then the late 60 but mostly early 70’s and how we got back to more common sense but she did bring up a good point and that was.
Back then laws and special rights had not been passed or forced onto us but today they have.
Once laws and people think they have a right then those rights and laws seem to always stay in place.
I do think the damage has bene so much so that I might never see common sense come back to America.
Maybe states might want to leave and then the media will go into such overdrive attack like we have never seen before or maybe the states might leave as people have had enough though sadly most Americans have no idea about the communist agenda.
Look at the black community for instance, they voted yet again in their millions because the guy was not all white.
Ask them do they think illegals should get welfare and jobs and they say no.
Ask them should homosexuals get married and they say no.
Ask most of them if they are Christian and they say yes in the south and yet the idiots still voted for this girlie guy and want to be royal family.
Hisoanics would have bene good to pick up but yet again the stupid party woudl not mention social issues and yet the vast amount of them are opposed to homosexuals marrying or kids being taught feces and sex and yet again they voted for the left because the left wing media who state they;re not biased portray the republicans as racist while ignoring who were the KKK, segregation, slavery etc.
It;s white v others
Christians v everyone
I;ts male v female
it;s rich v poor
I;ts city v country\
It;s old, v young
right stupid, left smart
That is the platform of the radical left and the message of the corrupt media and our side never ever fights back except a few like Cruz, Sarah, Col West , Michelle Bachmann,etc hell they;re still going after those women and so our side sees this and instead of forming a circle and fighting back our side stays silent, Hannity and others will talk debt and health care on Monday or try to have this issue both ways.
Losing the family is what the feminazis wanted decades back.
Get the woman outside of the house.
Let kids be ignored as both parents are tired and busy.
Make it easier for divorce
promote cheating and make it cool
Make it out homosexuals are just happy gay people while ignoring how they suffer mental illness, sexual disease on a bigger %.
However say we lost this week, are they saying that our states where tens of millions have voted and done hard work and spent millions will now have to accept this sham marriage?
If we do then how on earth do you do that and not violate the 1st amendment which gurantees religious freedom without Govt imposing their will?
How do you now stop lawsuits wanting polygamy?
How can these homosexuals who want special rights base their so called rights on how they have sex, it;s never about love?
Also their lawyer stated he argued for their sham marriage that it was not about how one has sex , hell another woman on the panel said it was by accident a man and a woman could have a child and that this was about equal rights.
Well I hope our side pointed out they do have the same equal rights,they can marry the opposite sex just as us and we cannot marry the same sex as they cannot?
Now if they get this we have seen in MA, CA that they now use this to teach feces sex and strap ons for women will be taught to little children as they claim it;s the law.
Got to go but look forward to your reply, be back in a couple of hourse , have to go and check on my horse, as we’ve had a really bad storm come through here
The problem is, they care about free stuff a LOT more than the social issues. The Democrats offer free stuff, and Hispanics are really not educated enough to understand what the left is pushing. Hispanics (predominately families originally from Mexico) believe in big government. They believe in a massive social welfare state that hands out lots of goodies. They may claim to be socially conservative, but they don't vote that way.
Let me give you something to think about where these social issues such as gay marriage are concerned. The new Pope Francis comes from Argentina. Argentina is overwhelmingly Catholic. So Catholic that support of the Catholic church is built into their constitution. The Pope himself (he was an archbishop then) could not win the gay marriage fight in a county that is of his own religion. And he fought too, and yet it didn't matter - a majority of the people went along with the leftist government on this issue. That's how far gone the modern world is at this point.
Look at the black community for instance, they voted yet again in their millions because the guy was not all white.
Blacks are voting for free stuff. Obama upped the vote total a little from blacks, but 90% of them are voting on which party gives them handouts. If Hillary is the Dem nominee in 2016, she will also get 90-95% of the black vote - even if our candidate is someone like Dr. Carson.
Reality sucks, but it's better we see what is really going on than retreat into a fantasy world. Voting tends to be generational. It will be very hard to ever change the minds of the current batch of minorities voting for Democrats. However, one day views will change - unfortunately, that will probably be in some future generation decades or more from now. In the meantime, we just fight the good fight and hope we can turn the tide. We reach out to these minority populations, but hold fast to our conservative beliefs. We accept modernity and social change, but explain how conservative values make for a healthier society that benefits us all. We fight the left on every front, and stop ceding the education, media and entertainment establishments to them.
“That battle was lost half a century ago with the introduction of the pill, effectively divorcing sex from reproduction. 99% of people fornicate before marriage, most women married and not take birth control, Roe is now 40, the Biblical idea that sex = children is basically dead and buried in a pit with 50 million aborted babies.”
I’m afraid your missing the point entirely BurningOak.
Without children the LEGAL bonds of matrimony are nothing more than a expensive burden signifying mistrust and instability between the man and woman.
Despite religious and legal connotations historically and as you pointed out congruently marriage has little to do with sex. even a thousand years ago it was normal for men to “sleep around”. The marriage was to help insure he returned with his resources to one “legitimate” woman & family.
“I do not see homosexuality as a disease, it is a sin, and with Jesus it can be overcome like all other sin. Repenting will not cure you of cancer.”
I have no dispute that the practice of homosexuality is a sin. Whether or not you call it a disease as well depends upon how you define the cause and/or the concept of disease.
For-example:
* If homosexuality is caused by a genetic mutation then it is a disease along the same-lines as down syndrome or Scoliosis. The Sin being the failure to resist.
* If on the other hand Homosexuality is a learned behavioral subject to original and free choice then Homosexuality is a disease along the same lines as alcoholism. The Sin again being the failure to resist.
You see my definition of a disease is:
1: A disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
or:
2: Any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disease
Not everybody accepts #2 and if you among the lot that reject #2 or its application to behavioral disease, while believing Homosexuality is purely a behavioral problem then I can understand your position.
One way or the other Homosexuality inhibits the essential life function of reproduction. That is its inevitable down fall for the individual and the civilization that embraces this disease.
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