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Either the senators are lying or the NRA is.
1 posted on 03/13/2013 7:23:38 AM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

Unfortunately its hard to say at this point.

http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/Grover%20Norquist


2 posted on 03/13/2013 7:26:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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NBC News lies;

Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.

3 posted on 03/13/2013 7:29:01 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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Received via email this morning:

Statement from Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA Executive Director, regarding inaccurate NBC story alleging that NRA won't oppose background check bill

An article appearing today on NBCNews.com is falsely reporting that NRA will not oppose legislation being negotiated in the U.S. Senate that would mandate background checks for all gun purchasers.

The story posted on NBCNews.com alleges that NRA will not oppose expanding the background check system to include all private firearm sales, "provided the legislation does not require private gun sellers to maintain records of the checks". This statement is completely untrue. The NRA opposes criminalizing private firearms transfers between law-abiding individuals, and therefore opposes an expansion of the background check system.

The NRA supports meaningful efforts to address the problems of violent crime and mass violence in America, through swift and certain prosecution of violent criminals; securing our schools; and fixing our broken mental health system.

4 posted on 03/13/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Perhaps they mean that records of the background check (and hence the transfer) are not maintained.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 7:30:21 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: GrootheWanderer
Or the media is lying.
6 posted on 03/13/2013 7:31:54 AM PDT by TYVets
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I have no problem about MY retention of the checks. I am diametrically and vehemently opposed (to the point of outright civil war) to GOVERNMENT retention of the transaction. It is nothing more than registration and that is nothing more than confiscation yet executed.

Unlike the Jews in prewar NAZI Germany, I will not go quietly into the night. Nor will I let supposed self interested groups negotiate away my Bill of Rights affirmed rights.


7 posted on 03/13/2013 7:32:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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The registration part is what this is all about for the left.


8 posted on 03/13/2013 7:34:38 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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No.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 7:35:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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I have no problem with criminal background checks if you want to buy a gun. Walk into a gun store, do instant check, and be cleared for a week for any transaction you may or may not make. However, there is no reason that the government needs to know whether a sale occurred or not, and if it did, what was purchased.

I hear a lot of talk about compromise, but that means each side gives up something. I see them only taking, and giving nothing.

They demand everything, settle for only a portion, then call it “compromise”. But we only lost, they only gained ground.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 7:35:32 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Enough of this BS. The NRA is not lying.

Anyone who believes NBC over the NRA belongs over at KOS or the DUmp, not here.

12 posted on 03/13/2013 7:36:48 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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ANd private sales should be completely unregulated. The so called “gun show loophole” is simply an attempt to bring all private sales under a national organizing system.

Father to son, friend loaning to a neighbor, etc,,, all would be illegal.


13 posted on 03/13/2013 7:38:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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If the 4473 didn’t record make, model, and serial number of the gun(s) being transferred, as well as the name, address, and DL of the buyer, I would be much less opposed to them. (Although, not completely unopposed.) However, 4473s do contain such information, and therefore amount to gun registration, and therefore are unacceptable to me. Nothing stops the BATFABCDE from copying such records (in the name of verifying “compliance”) and therefore generating a registration database. That such data collection is illegal is worth less than nothing to me, they have already been found to have done that before, therefore, the law banning such activities is less than worthless, it lulls unthinking voters - and legislators - into falsely believing that registration records can not be kept.

I would much prefer some sort of “trusted good person” symbol, say, on one’s driver’s license, and if you have it and the authorities can verify that it’s legit, then you can buy whatever you want with no records of the sales being connectable to your identity. (The gun store might still want to keep records of lawful sales, but if they can be connected to individuals personally, that’s registration.)


14 posted on 03/13/2013 7:41:07 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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This is just backdoor registration, and fedgov permission to buy, sell or transfer a gun. Even to your son.

1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination

Were the Armenians, Kulaks, Jews etc treated better, or worse, after they complied with “reasonable” gun registration plans?


15 posted on 03/13/2013 7:41:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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They buyers wont keep a record but the FFL completing the check will.


16 posted on 03/13/2013 7:42:49 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Buyers or transfers?


18 posted on 03/13/2013 7:45:27 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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You know what they can do with their “background” deal?...


20 posted on 03/13/2013 7:48:32 AM PDT by onedoug
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Nothing But Clintonistas.


21 posted on 03/13/2013 7:49:44 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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I work with computers and regardless of what the “authorities” may say, you can be sure that if there is a centralized, universal background check system, there will be some backup record kept of every transaction. The best that we can hope for is that it only records “long gun” or “handgun” along with our personal information, and not a specific model and S/N. If this thing is passed, there will be a centralized record of every gun you buy from now on.


23 posted on 03/13/2013 8:12:46 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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If that requirement is met and key Republican negotiator Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma signs on

Someone needs to remind Coburn who elected him. Does he suddenly think Oklahoma's political grounding has shifted leftward?

26 posted on 03/13/2013 8:31:50 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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This is not a good deal, because the BATF&E are currently ignoring the law, demanding copies of gun dealers entire logbooks. This almost certainly means that they are maintaining a database of gun owners.

So if the law is ignored, do they think that passing new laws will have any more effect?

The only protection for the citizenry is the private sale of guns not recorded by anyone.

For perhaps 50 years now, the USG has been obsessed with collecting as much personal information about individual citizens as possible.

This is not being done for our benefit.

Nor does it accomplish any reasonable role for government. In fact, it even fails as a means of tyranny, though it clearly does make the rule of government more tyrannical.

Our education is monitored, as is our medical records, our census data, our vehicle ownership and use, our employment, our communications and opinions expressed to others, our money and our spending, our faiths and beliefs, etc. ad nauseum.

But all it amounts to is perverted, mentally ill voyeurism.

The new, massive archive created in Utah recently has no real purpose other than the accumulation of vast amounts of utterly useless “raw” information.

All because our political leaders have personal “control issues”, hating and fearing the people they do not understand.

Should it all be swept aside? Yes, for the most part. It is a waste of time and vast amounts of money. And not spending that money is a better use for it.


29 posted on 03/13/2013 8:52:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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