Posted on 03/12/2013 9:17:28 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that Republicans must “evolve” on immigration while preventing America from becoming a magnet for immigrants to come and get benefits.
We cannot just be a beacon for everyone to come here on benefits,” Paul said on conservative commentator Bryan Fischer’s radio program Wednesday. “You can’t have open borders in a welfare state. We’ve got a pretty significant welfare state, so it’s not just about normalizing the 11 or 12 million here, it’s whether or not while you’re doing that another 11 or 12 million come in, and I think that will bankrupt the country,” Paul said.
"My proposal is that each year we vote on a report [on border security]… so each year if we’re going to normalize some of the people who are undocumented here, it is dependent on a vote on the border security that affirms that we are securing the border.”
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Yep- GOP must go from thinking that ‘illegal’ is actually illrgal to thinking that ‘illegal’ means entitled
What the hell is with all these politicians compromising? Let’s just htrow up signs all along hte boarder announcing that we are dropping the word ‘illegal’ from our terminology and inviting anyone across for full US benifits and entitlements- infact, let’s just drop the words ‘sin’ ‘ciminals’ crime’ ‘murderer’ etc etc etc from our vocabulary because by golly we don’t want to offend anyone- Whiel we’re at it, let’s throw God compeltely out of America- We don’t need Him anymore- He’s blessed us, and now we can ‘stand on our own two feet’ so let’s just throw Him out because some folks fiund Him objectionable- wouldn’t want to offend a small minority of people in the US by allowing Him to stay and continue blessing us-
[[Citizens should have a say in how many people are allowed to immigrate each year, and what kinds of people, and from where, because these are people who we are agreeing will share our sovereignty with us. We are agreeing that, a few years down the road, they will have an equal say in everything we do.]]
Holy Cow- that’s PRECISELY what soemoen from the GOP SHOULD be sayign before Congress- over and over and over again until the peopel in congress get it through their thick self righteous skulls that they work for US!- but apparently thsoe who represent US have NO itnerest in actually representign US
Same with me. Rand’s record so far is admittedly terrific, and I hardly want to rain on his parade after last week’s stellar offering. But I can’t help but be wary, not wanting to be blindsided by sudden, extremely unwelcome libertarian inclinations, from open-borders to pro-dope and whatnot.
If Rand joins with Rubio on amnesty, he will never get my vote. Some GOP-E types think that if they just push this garbage through now, it will be behind them, and the issue will be dead by the 2016 election. More likely it will be the Party’s final death-knell.
He’s the Nigel Farage of the USA!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
When Willard the AMNESTY Bill pusher was the e-GOP nominee we were chastised (nice term) for not voting for him...
Now the e-GOP is trying to cast Rand Paul as Willard II ???
Cant we get over the need for Romney influence and all the anti-American aspects it entails and get back FINALLY to the Constitution ???
This is never about immigration...
Its about allowing anti-immigration lawbreakers to flaunt and override our sovereign laws..
I dont know what Rand Paul wants on this issue and I’ll worry about that when we get to primary 2016...
Meanwhile hes amongst the forerunner for POTUS...
One requirement being...guts and sticking up for America...
Dont look to any of the old guard e-GOP for that...
I dont think a Republican has to kiss Obamas butt at a useless dinner while theres a country to be run/saved to prove they are doing something of substance...
The place for our representatives both Senatye and house last Wednesday was the Capitol building, not out laffing it up with the clown of the White Hut...
Bob Corker of TN ???
Yeppers thats no surprize to us...
He was a RINO from the start...
He employed illegal aliens...knowingly..
and sent his peons to beat back and slander those of us who fought the AMNESTY Bills..
Dont look at me ...I never voted for him...
I voted for Ed Bryant...
What he's saying isn't half as bad as Rubio's plan.
Start with closing the border. Then start enforcing employer sanctions. Give employers a warning before you actually start enforcement. Announce that there will be no more use of false SSN's. Imprison those who commit these felonies already on the books.
If it turns out we actually need cheap labor supplied by illegal aliens (I am skeptical; I think all it does is lower labor costs but that the cost to society is far higher than the benefit), then we can always pass laws that provide for temporary workers, under very strict conditions and supervision, to be allowed into the country. Without their kids, spouses and grandmothers.
When you get this far, attack the issues of illegal alien benefits and education. That is a theft by a trespasser of goods and services of tens of thousands of dollars a year. It is more harmful to this country than all the petty burglaries combined. People will cry out about the horror of being mean to women and children; that's why we will have to evolve to rationality. Explain how much it costs our society and why we can't afford it. This is getting close to the end game. Eliminate the benefits and there will be no reason for them to be here.
Next, we have to get a handle on the notion of birth citizenship by illegals. There is no such thing, but we have treated it like there is. It is therefore a difficult situation, especially as to those who have been given purported citizenship and treated as citizens. How do you take it away once granted? I might be willing to allow those "illegal citizens" to remain citizens, so long as the law was clarified to ensure that in the future, only those born in the US to parents who were here legally, and not on tourist visas, diplomatic visas, student visas, etc.
All we have to do for any of these things to happen is to follow the Constitution and the existing law. The Constitution does not actually require that we provide benefits to illegals, for example, although the Supreme Court has said we do. It was one of the more legislative decisions of the 20th Century. The law provides for criminal penalties for employing illegals, and for illegals using phony documents. The law even allows for forfeiture of assets of those transporting aliens, or of houses in which people conspired to hide illegal aliens. The people have been led to lawlessness by their elites' desire to foist a new minority on us, and it is up to new leaders to evolve us out of it.
Rand Paul, don't know what you are thinking on this issue.
And thus dies Rand Paul’s presidential prospects.
The Republican party is contemplating suicide. And amnesty for illegal immigration will be the weapon.
Romney did not lose because of his strong and consistent stand against amnesty.
He lost because the rest of the Republican elites - politicians like McCain, strategists and consultants like Rove, the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal, and imbeciles on Romney’s campaign, like Eric (Etch-a-Sketch) Fehrnstrom - painted a picture that Republicans were not serious on stopping illegal immigration, so why even bother to vote?
The overwhelming majority of the American people want illegal immigration stopped, and do not want to reward law-breaking illegal aliens with citizenship. You would think that it would therefore be obvious that a strong stand AGAINST illegal immigration would be a winning strategy.
But the ruling class, even in the Republican party, think it is necessary to pander to illegals at great expense to the American people, and submit to the economic pressure and greed of the Chamber of Commerce types who want to maximize profits on the backs of illegal aliens.
“I don’t agree with Paul completely here, but this article smells like an attempt to knock him down a few pegs as a conservative darling.
What he’s saying isn’t half as bad as Rubio’s plan. “
EXACTLY! We WILL have an amnesty, people, time to face that fact. I’d trust Paul to cut off the magnets and enforce the law before the others.
As he states, we already have defacto amnesty, because few of them, including criminals are being deported.
Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform
www.washingtontimes.com
“I am in favor of immigration reform. I am also wary of reforms granted now for a promise of border security later.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/8/sen-rand-paul-trust-verify-immigration-reform/
There already is a path to citizenship, it’s called “Get In Line and Get Your Citizenship Just Like Any Other Immigrant.”
True and it's also about the Ohaha crowd rubbing our faces in it......AND mostly about money. The invaders know vote-crazed pols will trip over themselves to giveaway as many US freebies as possible---in exchange for latino votes.
A GLIMPSE OF WHAT WE'RE IN FOR---- THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES W/ PRESSURE GROUPS IN THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside), Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela..... co-conspirators include (1) The National Association of Latino Electoral and Appointed Officials, (2) La Raza, (3) Voto Latino, (4) The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, (5) state Hispanic Federations,(6) latino PAC's, etc, etc, etc.....
CONSPIRACY IN MOTION House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told Fox's Chris Wallac, "It is almost a false argument to say that we have a spending problem (WRT sequestration)." (TRANSLATION: And besides, we need trillions to subsidize all our "new citizens" who will vote---and make me Majority Leader, again---not to mention the billions in foreign aid we plan to give to all the countries on the other side of the border.)
L-R--Sen. Robert Menendez , (D-NJ); Dr Salomon Melgen, VOXXI Chman of the Board; Rep Nancy Pelosi; Francisco J. Sanchez, Under Secy of Commerce for Intl Trade, and Emilio Sanchez, president and CEO of VOXXI at the Ntl Assoc of Latino Elected and Appt Officials Gala in Washington. (Photo/ Voxxi---Melgen's web site)
You sound like you’re kinda where I am.
Me: Leave me alone and Western Culture is worth preserving.
Why should it be an employer’s responsibility to enforce immigration laws?
Romney did not lose because of his strong and consistent stand against amnesty.
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well he never had one..
he was strongly anti-immigration and for the AMNESTY Bills..
He said “we cant send they all back”
and
“we must find a path to citizenship”
seems like Willard wrote the marching instructions for the rest of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party..
Would you like to know what Cuban born Al Cardenas, the head of the ACU (American Conservative Union) and one of the powers that be at CPAC think about the Gang of 8’s Amnesty??
Ready???
“Statement from ACU Chairman Al Cardenas on Immigration Legislation
Published: January 28, 2013
Contact: Laura Rigas, (202) 347-9388, lrigas@conservative.org
“It seems that a growing number of Democrats & Republicans in Congress have found common ground on agreed-upon principles for immigration reform.
Congratulations to both sides of the aisle in forging a responsible framework today. Difficult days lay ahead in working out specifics on the legislation itself, but the Senate is off to a good start and I encourage the House to follow suit.”[snip]
It’s not by accident that Grover Norquist, who wrote the Bush amnesty & destroyed every immigration reform ever made is in league with CPAC, ACU who is headed by Al Cardenas, another AMNESTY pusher. Do you understand that these men have hijacked the tea party movement to further their own goals?
[snip]Contention at CPAC 2013: The Counterjihad vs. Grover Norquist, Brett Kimberlin, et. al.
[snip]Ooooh, looky here:
This page lists board of directors of the American Conservative Union, which hosts CPAC. The page isn’t easy to find, most likely because it shows both Grover Norquist and fellow mole Suhail Khan. Grover is keeping a low profile; as of this writing, I don’t see him on the speakers’ roster.
The ACU chairman is Al Cardenas,who has been pushing for another amnesty for illegal aliens.He actually expects us to believe that giving eleven million illegal aliens (including a large number of Muslim infiltrators) will “stimulate the conservative electorate.”
You can’t have open borders in a welfare state.
Europe is in the middle of learning this very hard lesson....
It makes sense, you cannot support a welfare state with open borders, heck even with closed borders you cannot sustain a welfare state, though you can prolong it longer...
libertarians rarely never
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