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Absolute proof that women can not compete with menin the Infantry or Special Forces

Posted on 01/26/2013 2:34:33 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Since delusional liberals think that there is no difference in men and women, that women can do anything a man can do, and they want them in the army infantry, Navy Seals and other Special Forces, here is what REAL EQUALITY is........

The NFL will now be 50% females, at all positions.

The WNBA will be abolished, women will have to play in the NBA.

The NHL will be 50% female. They will play with men.

Professional boxing will be for both men and women.

The MMA (extreme fighting) will be for men and women, they fight each other.

All professional FEMALE teams will be abolished and they will be either compete against men, or go they will not compete in professional sports.

Let me be the first to say there is a reason why women and men do not compete in this contact sports. Women would get killed without anyone shooting at them. No women could compete in any of these sports.

Let me also say that Navy Seal training and Army Ranger training is harder and tougher than any of the above mentioned sports. But for some reason there are liberals that actually think women could compete the special forces training and be the same as their male counterparts. What planet do these people live on?

I have just given any liberal that can think straight the reason why WOMEN CAN NOT BE IN ARMY INFANTRY OR ANY OF THE SPECIAL FORCES. It's called a very fast death.


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I heard General Jerry Boykin, one of the founders of Deltal Force taking this morning on the radio and he went over some of the same that were not thought through when making this decision. But he also mentioned that in Ranger training two men have to strip naked and swim across a river and back. He goes on to say that if a woman is allowed in Ranger training will she also have to strip naked and swim with a male Ranger across that river? Afterall the standards are not supposed to change. He also goes on to say that in combat if a Ranger swims into an area he is not familiar with, when he gets out of the water that he strips naked and his buddy inspects him for little creatures that could be sticking to his body. Once again, will he inspect naked females? The general goes on to say that whoever came up with is braindead idea of having women in the infantry or special forces has NEVER been in the infantry and definitely not been in the Special Forces. Combat paratrooper jump with about 150 pounds of equipment, and that does not include their weapon. This is how they go into battle, and that does not include their armor suits. Most women don't even weigh 150 and damn sure can't lift 150 pounds.
1 posted on 01/26/2013 2:34:44 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Two infantry soldiers are in a fox hole - a 190 pound man and a 125 pound woman. The man gets hurt and she needs to help him. Throw him over her shoulder and carry him a mile for help. Don’t think so.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 2:43:13 PM PST by YukonGreen
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To: NKP_Vet

Nice socio experiment. Can America stand seeing their daughters and wives killed, mutilated and what not? To satisfy the nags?


3 posted on 01/26/2013 2:46:24 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: NKP_Vet

The fools pushing this don’t have a clue about what they’re demanding.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 2:47:15 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: NKP_Vet

All one has to do is look at either Olympic or World records in Track and Field.

In many events a very good High School boy can beat the Women’s world record.

Some of the events are purposely skewed to make women look better. For instance women use a lighter shot, they run a 100 meter High Hurdles but men run 110 meters over higher hurdles.

In any event requiring speed, strength or power, they are not even close.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 2:49:45 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?


6 posted on 01/26/2013 2:53:36 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Of course women do not belong in combat. Their integration into combat units will be certain death for those units when it comes down to hand-to-hand combat.

Rest assured the standards will be lowered and the public will not be told. I understand that the tests to be a pilot were lowered and at least two women have already died.

In addition, unit cohesion will be destroyed by a "diverse military." A diverse military becomes beholden only to their Imperial benefactor for their pay and perks.(The Roman legion comes to mind.) Our soldiers will become little isolated atoms easily destroyed by a non-diverse military. One can rely on technology only so far. Further the loyalty of a "diverse" military will be to the one creating them not to the constitution. In short, Caesarism. A side effect will be ease in shooting the Amercian civilian population.

7 posted on 01/26/2013 2:55:08 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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The problem will be little better in Armor than in Infantry. I spent 3-1/2 years as an Armor officer in a tank unit back in the late 70s, then spent another 17 years in the Army Reserve. Being an Armor crewman is a physically demanding job. Just riding around in a tank is not the entire job. As an example, to load ammunition into an M-60 tank, you had to have one crewman on the ground lifting each round as a dead weight from the ground over his head to hand it to another crewman who was squatting on the side of the tank. That crewman then had to stand and lift the round over his head and hand it to a third crewman in the turret, who had to stoop down and put it in the rack. Not a job for weaklings.

Then there was changing a track - a job for four strong men.

Are there women who could do this? Probably. But there aren’t many.

This doesn’t even begin to address the pysical demands of being in the field (not to mention combat) for weeks at a time. Men begin to break down, even when physically conditioned.

Again, are there women who can stand up to this? Probably, but not enough to make a difference.

The only way this will work is if they lower the standards - and that is what they are going to do. Some poor tank crew is going to be saddled with a woman, who will stand “guard” while they do the heavy lifting. Then when they get shipped into combat, she will either physically break down, get pregnant, mentally break down, or some other variant. It happens to men (except the pregnant part, of course), but will happen to women quicker.

This isn’t to say that women don’t belong in the military. I served with many women who were terrific soldiers - but not in Infantry, not Armor and definitely not Special Forces.

Our military is getting weaker by the day.

Thanks to all of you who felt they had to not vote or vote third party - you are part of the problem.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 2:58:18 PM PST by BruceS
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“A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?”

Well, no. The 13 year old would have a “teenager” attitude whereas the 120 woman in the combat unit would have a Demi Moore attitude.

I’d take the teenager...


9 posted on 01/26/2013 3:01:36 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”

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For every one female that deserves a place at the tip of the spear there are probably a couple of thousand who don’t. They will be allowed to slide and when the lead starts flying they will be sacrificed on the altar of Progressiveness. That means there are thousands of little girls growing up right now who are being sentenced to rape, mutilation and death by this line of reasoning. It’s not their fault but because of their genes they don’t stand a snowball’s chance in Hell in combat. Lying about it changes nothing.

Hug your daughters and granddaughters.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 3:01:56 PM PST by servo1969
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To: central_va

“A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?”

Well, no. The 13 year old would have a “teenager” attitude whereas the 120lb woman in the combat unit would have a Demi Moore attitude.

I’d take the teenager...


11 posted on 01/26/2013 3:02:27 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: NKP_Vet

It does make women feel equal and more likely to vote Democrat. Mission accomplished.

Pray for America


12 posted on 01/26/2013 3:03:13 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

DOH! slipped out as I caught the “lb”.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 3:03:33 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: NKP_Vet

Can’t wait for the Army, Navy, and USAF academy football teams to go 50% female - if woman cant make the Academy football teams than maybe the standards are just too hhigh and need to be lowered

I’m sure the Pentagon 4-stars can figure out the locker room privacy issues


14 posted on 01/26/2013 3:04:07 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

The way the Falcons played this year it might be an improvement. :)


15 posted on 01/26/2013 3:05:24 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The problem is not the potential for women to perform well in war, but the mixing.

Sun Tzu, the ancient expert on war, was asked this question if women could perform as well as men in war if properly trained, and he answered in the affirmative.

In the 1890s one-third of the army of Dahomey, today Benin, were females, actually elite troops. They fought two wars against France and the Legionnaires who opposed them had high praise for the female troops, both their courage and skill.

But mixing is another story entirely.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 3:05:37 PM PST by idov
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“The fools pushing this don’t have a clue about what they’re demanding.”

But they do, the further destruction of the military plus possibly a few volunteers that would like the opportunity to fire on American citizens.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 3:05:57 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones)
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To: NKP_Vet

Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat

America has been creeping closer and closer to allowing women in combat, so Wednesday’s news that the decision has now been made is not a surprise. It appears that female soldiers will be allowed on the battlefield but not in the infantry. Yet it is a distinction without much difference: Infantry units serve side-by-side in combat with artillery, engineers, drivers, medics and others who will likely now include women. The Pentagon would do well to consider realities of life in combat as it pushes to mix men and women on the battlefield.

Many articles have been written regarding the relative strength of women and the possible effects on morale of introducing women into all-male units. Less attention has been paid to another aspect: the absolutely dreadful conditions under which grunts live during war.

Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view.

I served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a Marine infantry squad leader. We rode into war crammed in the back of amphibious assault vehicles. They are designed to hold roughly 15 Marines snugly; due to maintenance issues, by the end of the invasion we had as many as 25 men stuffed into the back. Marines were forced to sit, in full gear, on each other’s laps and in contorted positions for hours on end. That was the least of our problems.

The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades.

Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face.

During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out.

Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.

Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation’s military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?

Societal norms are a reality, and their maintenance is important to most members of a society. It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 3:07:43 PM PST by servo1969
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I'm thinking of things like the Kokoda trail or the
retreat from the Chosin Reservoir, the troops on the
trail had dysentery so bad they split the pants up
the back so they could shit as they marched.
In Korea it was so cold the troops couldn't stop
so they had to crap their pants as they pulled out.
Not hygienically safe for women. Aside from the purely strength issues.
19 posted on 01/26/2013 3:14:50 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Joe Boucher

“Can America stand seeing their daughters and wives killed, mutilated and what not? “

I can imagine that married women in the testosterone corps having to strip nekkid and the joy she will give her hubby when she describes this activity to him.

He will be so proud!!!.

Libs are sooooo blind.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 3:19:57 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (Have you thought about going vegan, Karl?)
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