"Bring me the guild C++ programmer."
Posted on 11/26/2012 7:12:46 AM PST by SeekAndFind
It used to be shameful to be on welfare or any public assistance program.
Its a way of life for many people. For them its stupid NOT to go for your free obamafon
RE: There have been numerous articles that you can make in that neighborhood with food stamps, welfare, and all the other programs out there.
Since you used the adjective : NUMEROUS, surely it will be a breeze for you to show us some of these articles that purport to show us how people on welfare are getting the equivalent of someone working getting $54,000 plus benefits... a few links will do.
We’re waiting....
What ever happened to apprenticeships?
“O” is supported by people who are born 3 and 4 generations out of wedlock and as many (or more) on the public dole.
The idea of living any other way is inconceivable to them.
I have said for years that dropping the shop classes from high school would have an impact. I didn’t think well enough to realize that it would hit now.
What exactly are you looking for? I might be interested, but I am in my mid 60’s. I am a pretty good programmer :) (C, Java, SQL, etc).
“Why were they willing to take a chance on you (no college degree )?”
I can answer that one: Skills.
How many people can program C/C++/C#/Java/SQL, etc? Very few. It’s not that hard but so few do it.
To get a first job, create a project for yourself or with some buddies, put it on a resume, the Dice/Monster ‘recruiters’ that do word searches to find candidates find that person and they get interviewed. Interviewers do not ask where a person went to school. They only ask technical questions about programming. Get enough answers right, get hired.
Actually, computer programmming, I mean, ‘Software Engineering’, is one of the few career fields that do it right to a large degree. They don’t care where you went to school, they only ask can you do the job.
I hired in as a temp to do basic assembly linework but had experience in industrial painting. When I was hired full time I went to the paint department and showed an interest in the robots and started learning whatever I could.
When a job came up for back up supervisor I applied and got that job which came with more intensive training in the robotics operations as well as all the other paint room processes (fluid and air pumps and regulators etc). When my boss broke his leg and was off for several weeks it was up to me and they ended up making me a full supervisor.
I never made big bucks (about $40,000 in a good year). There were a handful of degreed techs who made another 20K per year. Aside from that the only degreed people in the shop were engineers and front office people.
In my opinion, trained skills are secondary to common sense and basic logic and unfortunately both are severely lacking in today’s 20 somethings. They walk out of college and know how to do one thing in a perfect environment. Unfortunately, factories are not perfect environments. You have to work with assholes, design flaws, damaged equipment, and any number of other out of the ordinary issues and you have to do it on the fly.
We had a new engineer come into the shop with lots of ideas but no clue about how the real world worked. He finally got mad and quit because we didn’t have 20 minutes to spend painting parts his way. We had 26 seconds.
I’m a high school drop out who ended up spending a decade programming, operating and maintaining industrial robots.
My twenty-something son is trying to figure out how to get into a hands on job and I thought the job you do might be a good opportunity. Any advice on how to get the younger generation pointed into this field?
Depends on how many children the sow has.
1. Public Housing with utilities paid: $14,000.
2. Food stamps for 4: $8,000.
3. Unemployment (maximum): $27,000.
4. TANF: $6,000.
5. Indigent Care Program: Unlimited, 10% co-pay.
6. WIC: $500.
That’s just off the top of my head. Ther are more programs, some local as well. Primarily people live on public housing, food stamps, TANF, ICP, and WIC.
It may not be $54,000, but families can get over that when living together as a houshold and many do.
Actually, C++ is very hard.
Back in the 90s, we used to give a 20-question test to potential C++ programmers. Many experienced guys could not answer any of the questions correctly.
I’m not there anymore because that factory has been closed for better than a decade. It was plastics and there’s a fair amount of painting in plastics.
I started that job as a temp and just fell into it but the basic advice I was given a long time ago is sound. Pay attention and show an interest, don’t hang with the slackers at break time, if equipment is being worked on at break time, offer to skip a break and lend a hand. Ask intelligent questions and never skip an opportunity to learn. Basically take the bull by the horns.
I had the same experience in a bindery years ago. I went in as a temp and ended up as the sole operator and maintenance man on the one of the two primary machines in the building.
This is a great argument until you actually put your mind in gear and think.
Presently, the Chinese move youth in from their agricultural regions in order to manufacture things to be sold in the United States.
Now this article wants me to believe China can find people who are more qualified in those regions, than people in the United States are.
Yeah, but did you pick the most left-field questions out of arrogance and did you pick questions that you actually use? Usually that answer is “no”. I can’t tell you how many people just have to ask what a virtual function is but there are none in their system, or fail to understand that ‘void*’ has been around a long time.
We’re spending close to a trillion dollars a year on welfare. We’ve had people on unemployment benefits for two years.
What impetus is there for anyone to adopt your work ethic?
We are subsidizing loafers. And guess what, we’re now getting more loafers. Who knew?
Once again, a nine year old could understand this concept. And once again, Obama can’t.
C++ takes the C data structure and adds features to it. :)
"Bring me the guild C++ programmer."
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