Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home

IFB ^ | 11/7/12

[Elsie]

I have nothing further to say to you.

Didn't you say this earlier upthread?

yet; you still continue to curse and insult others.

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I won't say anything mean about being off yer meds.

Other folks do that; so I'll merely point out that time heals all wounds.

And; I'm told; that it also wounds all heels.

[Elsie]

Aren’t you the biggest Mormon hater around here?

NOW you are complainin' 'bout my WEIGHT!!!

Can't a fella get a break from you poor losers?

[Elsie]

I honestly don't know enough about Mormon theology to be specific. That's why I chose to exclude it from the discussion.

I was in this same situation a few years ago; and realized that many were in the boat with me; so THAT is why I include as much of their 'scripture', teachings and publications as possible in these discussions.

Information is GOOD - opinion not so good.

[Elsie]

I honestly don't know enough about Mormon theology to be specific.

Yet you said THIS:

I disagree with the no coffee or tea, though!

So I will educate you a bit more. See if YOU can find ANY prohibition of them in this 'scripture'... (Enjoy your bbq ribs in the summertime; though.)

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. Rights and use information. Privacy policy.

[Ann Archy]

Except for trying to save America from the most EVIL President ever!! You just wallow in your puerness and pat yourself on the back.

[Ann Archy]

Idiotic belief if that is what Mormons think about Catholics.

[Ann Archy]

I’m so glad you know that Catholics are Christian.

[Elsie]

The above is known as the Word of Wisdom.

It is mentioned in a yearly questionaire than MORMONs get asked by their Bishop (Romney was one once).

The following is that batch of questions:

 

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Temple Recommend Questions

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

[bert]

You elected Obama!!!

[1010RD]

Yay, yay, hurrah!

I didn’t compromise and stood my ground and lost.

Yay, yay, hurrah!

[Elsie]

..... I grew up Baptist.

I grew up nothing.

I absorbed what little I knew about Christianity from America's culture.

When in the service, a Baptist fellow from Michigan asked me and all the others in the barracks if we would like to go to church with him on Sunday.

Moses Lake, WA was the town, and it was there that I heard the Gospel and made a decision.

That was long ago and far away; and many miles have now passed by.

I wandered from the path for many years; but GOD was (IS!) faithful and drew me back.

I now attend a Wesleyan congregation.

[Psalm 73]

"Yet you moan that GOD somehow can't... ... use an unbeliever like Barak Obama to do His work here?"

I did not say God COULDN'T - He can do anything, and His will is not going to be thwarted.
Some non-believers He uses to enact judgement on His people, and some He uses to save His people - does not mean we shouldn't try to discern His will.

Hmmm, let's say:
If both candidates are pagans, should I vote for the one that may help save babies from slaughter, or the one that I KNOW will do everyting in his power to continue the slaughter of little baby boys and little baby girls?

[Elsie]

Since denominational affiliation does not dictate whether one is really a Christian or not, it's a meaningless question.

I interpreted it to mean do I think that the RCC teachs the core Christian doctrines.

I do.

That they ALSO teach some stuff that I do NOT consider to be important was not addressed.

ALL churchs do that!

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Bottom line:

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John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

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1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

[Elsie]

FWIW: I knew there was a reason I voted for Mitt:

Are you a member of TCOJCOLDS?

[Elsie]

 

When he was governor of Massachusetts, his religion was a non-issue and many people didn’t even realize he was a Mormon.

HMMmm...

I guess those voters must have LEARNED something since that time!

https://www.google.com/search?q=massachusett+voting+percentage&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475#hl=en&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475&biw=1366&bih=548&sclient=psy-ab&q=massachusetts+election+results+2012&oq=election+2012+results+mass&gs_l=serp.1.0.0i8l4.4303.5304.1.8509.5.5.0.0.0.0.185.803.0j5.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.8s2OG9Z_kZ0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b479c1db411a11f2&bpcl=38093640

[Ann Archy]

What is that?

[Elsie]

Those who refused to vote for Romney out of religious purity have deliberately contributed to inflicting our country with the political incarnation of Barabbas for another four years

And you are POSITIVE about this claim?

[Ann Archy]

Elsie.....I think you need tolook in a mirror to see who the religious bigot is since you didn’t vote for Mitt because he’s a Mormon!!

[Elsie]

Obama does.

You got any PROOF of this assertion?

[KeyLargo]

Why Mitt Romney Lost

Newsmax ^ | Nov 7, 2012 | Christopher Ruddy

Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:53:31 AM by KeyLargo

Newsmax Why Mitt Romney Lost Wednesday, November 7, 2012 02:24 PM

By: Christopher Ruddy Newsmax

Christopher Ruddy’s Perspective: It was the worst of times and the worst of times.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956927/posts