Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
You must all be a real tight-knit bunch then. I doubt whether I know for sure the state affiliation of more than three or four FReepers. And I've been here since November 2000!!!
And I am assuming, of course, that by Californians, you mean Californian FReepers. Otherwise, if those were just comments about Californians in general, well then I think the state's voting record speaks for itself.
Why do you give a rap where this thread goes?
The OP opened the door in post #1...take it up with him.
Elsie, God raises leaders up and He makes them fall.
And He sometimes uses the heathen to accomplish His purposes.
You will never live in an America without sin, nor will you ever participate in any election that does offer you a choice of flawed, sinning men and women.
Until Jesus returns, that will not change.
As a free man in a free society, I have to make the best choice I can among flawed candidates.
Job One to me is the removal from DC of Obama and his corrupt Administration. And if that means, like in the Old Testament, I replace one evil king with another evil king,well, that’s the best I can do, and pray that God sheds His grace on my errant nation one more time, and withholds His hand of judgment.
Any candidate, even the vaunted third party ones that are not Romney or Obama, are flawed to some degree.It is the human condition, under the sin nature, if we stick to religious terms.
And anyone here can slice them and dice them, just like every GOP candidate was excoriated on this forum in the past year.
Like the good book says, there is none righteous, no, not one.
But, in the face of clear evil, good men need to act.
What we don’t need to do, is shoot at others trying to do the same thing.
ansel12: The founding fathers never said anything about limiting people talking about religion and politics together. That is your creation
exit82: I created no such thing as what you implied.
The word 'belongs' certainly can be seen that way.
Hint: Mayflower Compact.
LOL, that is heavy hitting stuff.
While...
...ELSIE is considered one of the foremost thorns-in-the-flesh to MORMONs on FR. He has unabashedly posted comparisons of the Joseph Smith Translation and the King James Vesion of the Bible.
Whoops!!!
He's done it AGAIN!
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Color coding explanation:
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...
*(UNDERLINED stuff is the DISTRACTING reference on every tenth word or so that infuses LDS 'scripture' online.)
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They made it clear back then...it was because there had been a general apostacy away from Christ's teachings.
And as some protested away from the Catholic Church, later others protested away from them for the same reasons.
The fact that there was an apostacy is one of the best documented facts in religious history as atteted by the quotes of the many very brave and honorable people at the time who risked all, including their lives, and many who lost their lives as a result.
From the 1400s on, and even earlier fro hundreds of years. in the 1600s and 1700s and into the 1800s, it was one of the principle reasons so many came to these shores. To find religious freedom away from apostate churches.
It was also something prophesied in the new Testamnent that the day of Christ's return would not come until after there had been a falling away first...and then a restoration.
Some folks feel that the reformation from Luther through Wesley and others to form the Protestant churches fulfilled that prophesy. We feel that those events led to it.
So in the interest of, "telling the rest of the story," let's not leave that part out.
Yes, we believe Christ Himself told Joseph Smith that such an Apostacy had occurred and was the reason for their visitation. It did not condemn the people, it condemned the state of the church organizations and leaders at the time. The Church in fact reveres many of those reformers and some of the comments they made when rebelling against Rome, or whichever State Church of the day they rebelled against. Wycliff, Huss, Martin Luther, Calvin, Smyth, John Wesley and so many others.
Just wanted, for the sake of complete explanation and information to make sure that whole story got told as well.
But notice, Colo, in doing so, I am not implying or stating that you have some mal-intent, or conspiracy going in leaving it out, or some kind of feeling that there is a undelying effort to "hide" it from others on your part. Just a simple difference in opinion and intepretation explains it and more than suffices. IOW, your terminolgy when referring to the LDS is one of a reviling nature, as if though we are trying to hide things from people, and secretly fool and mislead people. Nothing could be further from thr truth...and we have discussed this many, many times on other threads.
I know you love the Lord. I respect you and anyone else who sincerely does...like my own brother you referred to. There is not some kind of "tight rope" walk involved there to try and maintain family relations. My brother and I love each other unconditionally and recognize our mutual commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ and respect it...even if we differ in some doctrines. I have attended his evangelical prayer meetings and been asked by the pastor to offer prayer for all involved...as a Mormon of all things.
I have taken sacrement from a very good Lutheran priest while in Houston in rehab, and did so as an LDS and thanked him for his kind, Christian treatment and acceptance of a card carrying, LDS High Priest...to which he smiled and hugged me in true Christ-like love and compassion.
I know that bringing souls to Christ is the key thing at any level of knowledge of Him and acceptance of His Atonement because it saves them, and helps them be better...healed in God's eyes certainly, but also for all of society.
The LDS love Christ...and are simply trying to do the same. Nothing more sinister to it than that. You can either believe that as honestly and sincerely stated to you by someone who has been involved with the Church for 42 years and held several leadership positions in it over that time...or you can continue with this devisive and reviling attitude. But I have told you the truth, and that's all I can do.
And with that. IMHO, this thread has devolved into a pretty nasty exchange of people making very judegemental and what I consider to be ill-tempered and un-Christian accusations at each other...which does not serve conservatism in the least. So I will excuse myself and continue trying to defeat Obama and his administration in the best way I can.
You haven't. My comment was directed at others on this thread who seem to have made it a central subject for opposing his candidacy.
That doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means that I find the evidence lacking.
And the example of "Christians" such as yourself tends to reinforce my view.
And when you then run into heresy; what is your plan?
It doesn’t seem to matter even when it is clearly stated in our posts that we are from a deep blue state. I’ve been told that **I** will be responsible if Romney doesn’t win. It’s completely ridiculous. Jim’s vote, or lack thereof, is also meaningless, but he’s being excoriated.
One person even said we should leave our states if our votes are meaningless. I’m not happy about having to live here, but I’m not abandoning my parents simply to move out of California.
Are you this persistent and aggressive, and demanding, on threads about Obama and religion, or Tom Cruise, or Harry Reid?
Jesus Christ is God’s Son, spiritually and physically. He calls Him Father, He prays to Him. We are to pray to Him,, God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, His Son.
God’s voice was heard at Christ’s baptism, coming from Heaven while He was in the water. The Holy Sirit also descended. Three seperate entities/Gods.
I did take it up with the OP--see my post 2622. I addressed it to Jim also.
That is good Freeper etiquette.
About the hateful lies against Freepers on this thread--there have been almost too many to count.And that is just on the political side of the discussion.When you get to the religious side of the discussion, it's a regular circular firing squad.
Now, the thread has turned in a different direction. The political has disappeared--now it is about people's religion, and whether they are fit enough to be here because of it.
I don't like it and I have said so.
But like herding cats, I know that telling Freepers that they are out of bounds is a fruitless exercise. Nevertheless, I felt dutybound to at least try.
We do have rules here that help to moderate our discussion, and I try to take them seriously. I am not always successful in that endeavor.
Are there lyrics to this?
I am a bit reluctant to admit that I DO like the MUSIC of PTTM.
2K + the Beast!
What’s not to love?
^ THIS ^ Too many blamed times to count. Innumerable examples on this very thread, alone.
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