Posted on 07/31/2012 2:36:37 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa
The Democrats have a Jewish problem, and his name is Barack Obama. Reluctantly, many Jews, loyal Democrats by birth and tradition, have concluded that hes not The One they thought he was.
With even greater reluctance, the White House has concluded that their Jewish problem is real, growing, and they better do something about it.
Mitt Romneys dramatic declaration Sunday in Jerusalem that preventing Iran from building a nuclear weapon is Americas highest national security priority and military force should not be excluded, and that he regards Jerusalem as the true capital of Israel, puts in stark relief the difference between what the two candidates think about Americas only real ally in the Middle East.
Mr. Romney is willing, even eager, to give heartfelt, emphatic, unadulterated, full-throated support for the Jewish state in its hour of greatest peril since the founding. Mr. Obama cant do that because he doesnt feel the love. He sprang from a culture of radicalism where Israel was regarded as illegitimate, if not evil. He gives the clear impression that he doesnt like Jews very much.
Mr. Obama repeats only empty, bland assurances that everything is OK, that the friends of Israel shouldnt worry because the messiah from Chicago is on the watch. U.S.-Israeli ties, he told a rally the other day in Palm Beach, are stronger than ever. Thats bunk, as Sen. John McCain bluntly told a television interviewer: Everybody knows that relations with Israel have never been worse.
Bland assurances are no longer enough to satisfy betrayed true believers; the monolithic Jewish support for Democrats, any Democrat, is fraying around the edges. Merely telling skeptical and suspicious Jewish voters not to believe their own eyes and ears is no longer effective. No one expects Mitt Romney to win a majority of Jewish voters on Nov. 6, or anything close to it. He doesnt have to. If he can peel away three or four percentage points in certain swing states, particularly Florida and Ohio, that would change the game.
John McCain spent a lot of time, attention and money to attempt this four years ago. George W. Bush made such an attempt in 2004. Neither worked. But 2012 is a different ball game.
Jewish voters, like others of various passions and persuasions, have had four years to confront buyers remorse. Four years of Barack Obama have taught even slow learners to pay attention.
The proof is that a group of the slow learners, Jewish liberals still in love with Mr. Obama even if he isnt in love with them, are putting together a campaign to answer the Republican Jewish Coalitions successful work to get the friends of Israel to wake up and sniff the odor of harsh reality. This is not, a Democratic operative told Politico, the Capitol Hill daily, a case of Obama being swift boated. Nobody is telling stories about the president. His Jewish critics are merely laying out what everybody who has been half-awake during the past four years already knows.
Aaron David Miller, who has worked for several Democratic presidents over a quarter of a century, warns Democrats of turbulence ahead in a commentary in Foreign Policy magazine that has shaken up Jewish assumptions. Ive watched a few presidents come and go on this issue, he writes, and Obama really is different. Unlike [Bill] Clinton and George W. Bush, Obama isnt in love with the idea of Israel. He has a harder time making allowances for Israeli behavior he doesnt like. . . the president doesnt emote on many policy issues, with the possible exception of health care. But on Israel, he just doesnt buy the tiny state living on the knifes edge with the dark past argument.
Alas, the knifes edge is exactly where Israel lives, like it or not, and Israel must act accordingly. Mitt Romney, like his constituents some Jewish, most not, and many of them evangelical Christians understands that. Mr. Romney, like that constituency, is not embarrassed to emote about it. Barack Obama cant emote because to him Israel is not a natural friend and ally, bound to America by considerations of blood, faith and circumstance, but a nuisance. Why cant Israel just go away? This is hard for Jews, who have been voting Democratic since their grandfathers rallied to FDR and the New Deal, to accept as the new reality. It has been easier to pretend theres no problem. But now there is a problem, and its too big to hide with convenient pretense.
Any Jew who votes to reelect obama...isn’t...no matter what they call themselves.
I greatly respect Michael Medved, and I believe he is about 90% correct in his assertion. Now, is Romney a Christian? No. The beliefs of Mormons are just that - Mormonism. They are 180 degrees out of shift with Biblical Christianity. Will that matter to many Jewish voters?
No.
People MUST understand this; to many Jewish voters (clearly the majority), here is the equation that matter above all else:
Republicans = Jesus' Followers
And that's it. Nothing else matters to them. Not Israel, not economics, nothing.
I love the Jewish people. I have never felt more at "home" than when included in a big family Jewish wedding. I love Israel. The Jews have contributed more to science, medicine, philioiphy, physics, ehemistry, mathematics, law, and literature than any other people on the face of the earth.
But, for the majority, Christ remains the great stumbling block that they cannot overcome.
.....Yet, it is the very followers of Jesus who SUPPORT Israel.
Respectfully,but having many years behind me as a Jew, and naturally with lots of Jewish relatives and friends over the years, that is absolute hogwash.
Also for you to extrapolate Medved's comments into your own distorted analysis is unconscionable.
As to the questions will Jews care about Romney's Mormonism? For most, about as much as you would care about whether a Jewish candidate is Reform or Conservative. Yes, I know many Christians don't consider Mormonism Christian but the point is I really couldn't care less.
“the point is I really couldn’t care less.”
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Thank you for expressing it in standard English rather than the common absurdity that is almost always used.
This author is writing wishful thinking.
I have seen no polls that show Romney has the advantage with Jews in America. All polls I have seen show the opposite by a big margin. That is one of the reasons why Romney went to Israel. We will see if it works.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2811449/posts
This isn't something I made up.
The facts here vis a vis what Medved said are not even in a gray area. There can be no confusing what his opinions are on this matter. I didn't "distort" or "extrapolate" anything.
I linked to a FR thread that discussed this, and within that thread is a link to Medved's original thesis.
Gee, a lot of ambiguity by Medved there, right? I mean, I "distorted" and "extrapolated" what he said about Christ being the issue among Jews, didn't I? No, I didn't.
Medved went on to say:
"When Pastor Robert Jeffress told the Values Voter Summit last month that he preferredRick Perry because the Texas governor was "a genuine follower of Jesus Christ," Jewish voters cringed, understandably. Jeffress' formulation for an ideal candidate might have left Mormons out (a matter of hot dispute, depending on whether Mormonism counts as a form of Christianity), but it most certainly excluded Jews like me. Such incidents leave many Jews poised to vote on fears of Christian intolerance rather than hopes of Christian love for Israel."
As to the issue of Mormonism, you said you don't care less - but that point is essential among Christians. To many Jews, Mormonism is simply another "He's Not-Jewish" category - but to Christians, Mormonism is an apostate cult. Even Medved addresses the issue of Mormonism being rejected by many Christians in his article.
As an Evangelical Christian, I am on your side. I am on Israel's side. I am on the side of Jews against Islam. I am gladly on the side of Jehovah who made a covenant with the Jewish people that is still valid today.
However, it is clear that many, many Jews reject Republicans because they associate Republicans with following Yeshua, who they reject as the Messiah.
One of the greatest Jewish men to ever walk this planet was Paul - who became the greatest Christian evangelist the world has ever known. He wrote:
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness." 1 Corinthians 1:23
I once tried to make this point and was put in time out for a month. To differentiate between practicing and non practicing I used the terms Jews and jews.
The former are religious, the latter are not but have a practicing heritage.
Well, we could start with the 'clearly a majority'
People MUST understand this; to many Jewish voters (clearly the majority), here is the equation that matter above all else:
Someone just posted that Medved's suggestions are bizarre. I agree completely. Listening to conversations on politics and Judaism through multiple family generations and never having heard anything like this being sentiment being expressed, I indeed find them bizarre.
Not only anecdotally. Steyn did a piece on this subject a while ago that was more on the mark. Norman Podhoretz has a thoughtful analysis also in a new book. Why are Jews Liberals. Daniel Greenfield has written on the subject a number of times. None of them agree either. Indeed, a bizarre theory, especially the suggestion that it's applicable to the majority of Jews.
I understand you feel you are 'on my side'. I feel you are too, but I wonder if you have ever talked to a Jewish person - even here on FR about this, - ever experienced anyone actually expressing this sentiment.
I think a big part of the distrust and nervousness Medved espouses is due to history.
Just like many American Blacks can’t seem to get over the “effects” of slavery, even though they may never have experienced slavery themselves, American Jews seem to have a “racial memory” of historical mistreatment by Christians, and this will probably be the case for a couple more generations, but as was mentioned, younger Jews tend to be more open-minded.
The problem has been that many European Jewish immigrants have handed down their stories of mistreatment by Christians, Catholics, or Russian Orthodox, though for some reason, they overlook the communists. I recall my grandfather telling me to never trust a Christian, and that was directly from his experiences in Poland and Russia around the turn of the century, before the Russian Revolution.
Mark
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Well, we could start with the 'clearly a majority'
Clearly a majority of Jewish voters support liberalism and reject Republicans (both through financial support and in the ballot box).
Why is it so hard to accept a direct correlation between a rejection of Republican candidates (by the majority of Jewish voters), and the established history and fact of Jewish apprehension regarding Christ and Christianity?
I have spoken to some of my Jewish friends and work colleagues about this very subject. Here is my experience (and note - I am clearly saying this is my own take from my own observations). Among the more devout "religious" Jews (i.e. those who attended Synagogue regularly, read the Torah, knew the Rabbi personally, etc) - among those Jews I have found them much more agreeable towards Christianity and Christians. Medved himself is very agreeable towards his Christian callers and guests. Is being a Jew ethnic or religious? I believe it is clearly both. Those Jews who are Jew by ethnicity but completely reject Judaism and are themselves openly atheistic or secular express much more hostility towards the notion that Christ is the Messiah but embrace the notion that Christians are out to harm the Jewish people.
I would say you and I can agree to disagree on this.
For the most part, I don't peruse threads here to engage in open war with Jews. To the contrary. The Jewish people and Israel in particular are today under siege by the Obamas, the Muslims, and the generally evil segments of our world. One only has to read the torture that Jewish hostages endured during the attacks in India several years ago to realize we are dealing with pure evil at work.
One thing I will mention. I was attending a large dinner party last week. The lady across from me was an Italian-American. Italians are wonderful supporters of the family concept. They simply revel in each other. She mentioned that only the Jewish people seem to exceed that notion of communal love within their own. I can attest to this. I once attended a Hawaiian luau party, and was "adopted" by a group of Jewish tourists (from the states and Israel). I have rarely experienced such gracious and unabashed friendship from people that I hardly knew.
In my opinion, if it were not for Israel and the Jewish people, there would be no "Western Civilization." Why is the notion of Western Civilization so superior to all others? I believe it is because of God's blessing.
My own theory is that the Jews are attacked because Satan hates the Jewish people. They are key to God's plan of salvation, and His plans for the future.
Which shows the absurdity and self-destructiveness of the "average" Jew living in the middle part of the 20th century. Though FDR was probably quite careful in how he dealt with "the Jewish Question", some of the people he surrounded himself with during the White House years were quite apparent in their feelings on the matter.
For those of you in Rio Linda, check out Secretary of State Cordell Hull and Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr.
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