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To: expat1000
"Bizzare." Why bizarre? I think Medved's rationale and thought process was well laid out, well presented, and based on a logical foundation.

Well, we could start with the 'clearly a majority'

Clearly a majority of Jewish voters support liberalism and reject Republicans (both through financial support and in the ballot box).

Why is it so hard to accept a direct correlation between a rejection of Republican candidates (by the majority of Jewish voters), and the established history and fact of Jewish apprehension regarding Christ and Christianity?

I have spoken to some of my Jewish friends and work colleagues about this very subject. Here is my experience (and note - I am clearly saying this is my own take from my own observations). Among the more devout "religious" Jews (i.e. those who attended Synagogue regularly, read the Torah, knew the Rabbi personally, etc) - among those Jews I have found them much more agreeable towards Christianity and Christians. Medved himself is very agreeable towards his Christian callers and guests. Is being a Jew ethnic or religious? I believe it is clearly both. Those Jews who are Jew by ethnicity but completely reject Judaism and are themselves openly atheistic or secular express much more hostility towards the notion that Christ is the Messiah but embrace the notion that Christians are out to harm the Jewish people.

I would say you and I can agree to disagree on this.

For the most part, I don't peruse threads here to engage in open war with Jews. To the contrary. The Jewish people and Israel in particular are today under siege by the Obamas, the Muslims, and the generally evil segments of our world. One only has to read the torture that Jewish hostages endured during the attacks in India several years ago to realize we are dealing with pure evil at work.

One thing I will mention. I was attending a large dinner party last week. The lady across from me was an Italian-American. Italians are wonderful supporters of the family concept. They simply revel in each other. She mentioned that only the Jewish people seem to exceed that notion of communal love within their own. I can attest to this. I once attended a Hawaiian luau party, and was "adopted" by a group of Jewish tourists (from the states and Israel). I have rarely experienced such gracious and unabashed friendship from people that I hardly knew.

In my opinion, if it were not for Israel and the Jewish people, there would be no "Western Civilization." Why is the notion of Western Civilization so superior to all others? I believe it is because of God's blessing.

18 posted on 07/31/2012 9:31:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Why is it so hard to accept a direct correlation between a rejection of Republican candidates (by the majority of Jewish voters), and the established history and fact of Jewish apprehension regarding Christ and Christianity?

That's an easy one. Because I've never, ever, at least that I can remember, experienced it. That is why I find I find it so bizarre and can we leave "established history" prior to say the last 50 years out of it? We are discussing current events, after all.

Those Jews who are Jew by ethnicity but completely reject Judaism and are themselves openly atheistic or secular express much more hostility towards the notion that Christ is the Messiah but embrace the notion that Christians are out to harm the Jewish people.

Those Jews, in my experience, have probably never even thought about the concept of Christ the Messiah and most likely wouldn't have the faintest idea what was being discussed (I have little, myself). This is where I think Medved is out in left field somewhere. It's not hostility so much as apathy. OK, if you ask them on a survey if they are 'hostile' to the concept, they'll take 5 seconds to respond as that'll be the first and last 5 seconds they will spend on it.

Also I think a lot of Christians overstate how much Jews really think or care about Christian beliefs and principles. It's true (much less so now than a few generations ago) than some Jews, not all that many, feel threatened by Evangelicals but that fear is of their actions, not of Jesus or worship of Him. I've had relatives - we're talking generations ago - say some negative things about Christians, but about Jesus Christ? Can't recall His name being mentioned once.

I would say you and I can agree to disagree on this.

Certainly. Good way to leave it - I just wanted to clarify where my thoughts on this subject come from.

31 posted on 07/31/2012 7:55:35 PM PDT by expat1000
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