If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.
Posted on 07/27/2012 7:53:06 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
A rural Oregon man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in jail and over $1,500 in fines because he had three reservoirs on his property to collect and use rainwater.
Gary Harrington of Eagle Point, Ore., says he plans to appeal his conviction in Jackson County (Ore.) Circuit Court on nine misdemeanor charges under a 1925 law for having what state water managers called “three illegal reservoirs” on his property – and for filling the reservoirs with rainwater and snow runoff.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
All peeps are common criminals.
“Whiskey’s for drinkin’....water’s for fightin’ over.”
AGENDA 21 - LEGALIZED STEALING FROM YOU
Agenda 21 [2] is exactly what it says- an agenda. A TOTAL CONTROL agenda, the worst kind there is. Its really a variation on the Robin Hood approach as all the global plans are - steal money (and water) from those that have, and give it to those that don’t.
It ultimately includes putting water meters on PRIVATE water wells which has already begun in some parts of America. An ordinary well like the one you or someone you may know has. Water wells easily cost more than $3,000.00 to drill, and this doesn’t include the cost of operating AND maintaining them.
This figure does not include the cost of the pump (hundreds more) and the wiring, piping, pressure controls, etc... And they want to tax wells ? This isn’t like the county tax used for maintenance of roads. With this tax, they are NOT going to maintain your well, only the meter on it.
I know all this, because I have a well. For example, our well cost $1850.00 in 1982, and is 108 feet deep. That’s considered a fairly shallow water well by today’s standards.
Today that same well would cost more than $3,900.00. All wells are drilled using a truck mounted rig, and a well driller charges X dollars PER FOOT. And in the western USA, wells more than 2,000 feet deep are common. Often the cost is $20,000.00 or more, and communities often get together and share that cost and pay for maintenance. And the UN would tax that, too. So what does $20k buy ? A hole in the ground, with a steel casing that prevents the hole from filling in and being contaminated with soil bacteria. No pump, pipes, wiring, valves, pressure switches or paying the electric bill to run it. None of that.
Over my dead body will anyone put a meter on my well. I’ll fill it with concrete first and move to where I can drill a well where NO ONE will see it. It will bring new meaning to the expression “hard water.”.
Are you on public water ? You still won’t be safe from the greedy fingers of the UN. The gestapo UN tax will be levied ON TOP of the water tax you might be paying now. In the USA, tax upon tax is declared to be illegal according to our founding fathers and documents. So is “taxation without representation.” There was a time when people actually got mad and refused to be the doormat that people emulate today. They lay down and whine saying “what can I do about it ?” and ask for more.
But according to the globalist- oriented UN...our country’s founders didn’t know anything either, and the UN knows better. Those Great values the founding fathers gave America that made it the greatest nation on earth ? Oh, they were all wrong too. Live in Canada and think you’re safe from all this ? NO - Remember this is a UN tax levy, so every developed country gets hit with it.
No one is safe. The key words to remember are “developed country.”
So WHERE will all that collected money be sent ? To the US, Canada or to whatever country it was collected from ? NO. You don’t deserve it and as a GLOBAL citizen you are forgetting the UN Robin Hood principle. The only countries that won’t be taxed, will be those who are the benefactors of the new global welfare state. They get the checks from the UN, our new landlords. Those countries that benefit, can be summed up as “just above the equator in the western hemisphere, and below it. We won’t mention any names here...
And if you are one of the countries that are begging for scraps at the master’s table (the one located in the dining room of the UN) then you don’t need to worry. All will be delivered to you in due time, taken from the hands of those “that have.” Now we move one step closer to a global welfare state.
The droids in Washington who have usurped your rights, and overstepped their authority do so for only ONE reason. Simply, because they can. No one stops them. After the UN tightens the screws on the ordinary citizen, then those people will complain and whine “they can’t do that !” when its too late, and they already have. So get mad and make your feelings heard. If you are someone who thinks I’m wrong and more Robin Hood type taxation is a good thing, then you should be living in the UK already.
http://rense.com/general53/wasa.htm
This ended up not happening in NC where I was living but it may have happened in other states.
Ok... Guy builds a damn.. This stops the water flow for a while..
At some point the water is going to overflow the damn and continue to run...
We need “the rest of the story”
I agree.. However I am gathering that these dams not only disrupted it, but redirected it.. If I lived down stream I’d have a huge problem with the stream being redirected and going dry on my property.
My MIL and her husband just built a dam on their property out west to power their hydro generator (they are back in the sticks.. so far off the “grid” it’s not funny)
Hope they don’t get in trouble.
They did not redirect the stream. Just stopped it for about 3 hours while it filled to the top of their dam and started to flow again.
“Essentially, without permission from the masters, all one can do to or on one’s property is pay the taxes on it.”
I found that out and that is the conclusion I have come to. Some of the building codes, you would think came right out of a Soviet handbook and I live in a conservative mid-west state.
“Didn’t take him long to decide not to build there or anywhere else in Colorado.”
It was eye opening for me. I challenge most to just go online and check out your local neighborhood, building or zoning regulations.
You don’t really own your property, you are just there to keep it up and pay the taxes.
I think that is the point of the article, the Oregon water laws are absurd.
Pretty ineffective if you ask me. The cops will just spend more taxpayer money on new tires.
A real protest would have been to have all the county bigwigs find the tires slashed on their personal vehicles.
Just look to history to see who settled California.
The Gold Rush brought in thousands of schemers, dreamers and get-rich-quick shysters.
California was the number one destination for the refugees from The South after the Civil War.
Then Edison invented the movie camera.
Hollywood became the magnet that drew in all the wannabe stars from all across the country.
Then came The Great Depression and The Dust Bowl, and again, just like after the Civil War, California became the destination of the down and out.
Today’s California is the result of all these mass migrations and their descendents.............
.
But he is not just taking rainwater that has fallen on his property, he is taking rainwater that has fallen on all the properties upstream of him in the watershed. Water which the downstream users have a right too just as much as he does.
If he were to restrict his storage to ONLY that calculated volume of rain water that fell on his property, and BYPASSED the rest, then that would be more reasonable.
Not at face value, but if he persisted against warnings and fines then he may have left them no choice. Certainly though jail time as an initial enforcement would be ridiculous.
In some cases, you are probably right. In others, not at all. I don’t think property owners can shut down a river running through their property that others use as well. I also don’t think anyone should need a permit from government to collect the rainwater that falls on their own land. They must be able to do with that water, what they want. If that means collecting it in storage vats or cisterns to use later on, I have no problem with it and it’s not government or your or my business what tehy do with that water.
I have no problem with people having a number of collection vats that collect rainwater, so that they can use it to water their lawn, process for drinking water, use for crops, wash their vehicles, whatever.
It’s their property, who ever said they had to let the rainwater percolate through their soil if they don’t want it to? It’s their land. It’s falling on THEIR LAND. If they want to save it and use it later, they ought to be able to save it and use it later.
Where is it said they HAVE TO let it go into the soil and they can’t collect any of it WITHOUT A EFFING GOVERNMENT PERMIT OF APPROVAL?!?!?
It’s time for this sh1t to end. Seriously. Here we sit and argue about nuance when we accept we have to be permitted by Big Brother to collect the effing water God pours down on our property. This is how milktoasts like you wind up with having to have a permit to carry a gun when it’s a freaking RIGHT that existed BEFORE THE CONSTITUTION as a God-given human right, not a privilege that government has to grant us and can revoke from us because it’s a permit.
Build your own aquifer. Good concept.
Additionally, my family are veterans of the California water wars, railroad wars, and claim jumping days, and I can take you on tour of central California graveyards, and point out the graves of several citizens that thought all the water was theirs. Interestingly, most were not put there by government agents, but by their neighbors during the period of time that water rights law was being formed.
Keep in mind that flooding and flood control policy and law was also formed during this period using a similar rights/responsibility balance.
Your personal opinion on private property water rights is worthless unless you are King, and certainly not evidence that my statement is inaccurate in any way.
Well I just don’t think it ought to be a crime to collect rainwater in one or several rain barrels to use as you see fit. If it falls on your land it’s your water.
You can go back to snuggling with big brother. I agreed that some cases would be more complex than others, but at least they ought to be able to store some of the rainfal on their own property to use later.
But if you like big brother telling you the water that falls on your land, you can’t touch it without their permission, then more power to you. It’s good to admit who you really are.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.