Posted on 06/28/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
What say you to the king? He deemeth that thou shalt buy insurance, or face the wrath of a dictator scorn.
You ready to stand on your feet? Or are you living on your knees?
I say, Obama can eat shit and die.
Several Freepers have hit on the core of the problem. Once government got involved in education, the cost went up by hundreds of percent. When government got involved in healthcare, the cost went up by hundreds of percent. In both cases they passed laws to fix the problem they created.
“For now, Christian healthcare sharing organizations “qualify” as insurance under 0bamacare.
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Wow! Thank you so much for sharing that.
http://mychristiancare.org/default.aspx
http://www.samaritanministries.org/
These are my options and I am opting out of obamacare
I think Unions and peelozi's district are exempt.
don’t sugar coat it, tell me how you really feel.
“They’ll get while the gettin’s good”
That is my reading as well. Capitalism, actual free enterprise, is all but dead. Cronies and regulators have legislated it out of existence.
As I know the ultimate goal of ObamaCare is to get everyone in the country in a single-payer system, I have no idea what we'll do after 2014, assuming the GOP can't repeal ObamaCare.
We have zero intention of signing up for Deathcare. Since we are self employed and have not seen a tax refund in 20 years the IRS is going to have a hard row to hoe collecting from us. Our advice to them will be to put a lien on our house since its now worth less than we owe.
OK, I'll take a shot at this, as I understand it. The new rule is that you have to A)have insurance OR B)pay the penalty tax.
So, if you meet condition "A" there is no tax (penalty) for you. Thus people with insurance, be it private, employer provided, or Medicare, TriCare or Medicaid will not pay the tax.
If you do not have health insurance you either have to get it, or pay the tax.
But what if I can't afford it, you ask?
Well they have tried to "help" with that by doing three things.
First they have expanded Medicaid so it covers more people. So maybe now you can get Medicaid. (Only, Roberts struck down the part of Obamacare that made the States agree to this, so many may choose not to add people to their Medicaid rolls.)
Also, Medicaid is weird. Your basic single, 40 year old, unemployed person doesn't qualify for Medicaid - you need some sparklie like dependent children. I don' think the law changes this, so there will still be some (fewer, but some) people who don't qualify for Medicaid despite being poor.
The second mechanism to help the uninsured is tax credits to buy insurance from one of the new pools. These are available to something like 200% of the poverty level, for anyone who qualifies based on income. (No special dependency required).
The third way the government "helps" some people is by having an exclusion for really poor people. They just don't have to buy insurance, and they are excluded from the tax. They get to still be poor and uninsured. Mostly one would think that true poor would qualify for Medicaid. But as explained, many don't.
But lets say you have a job, it doesn't pay real well but it pays enough that you aren't a welfare case. And at the end of the day, therefore, you can't get on Medicaid. And you certainly don't qualify for the dirt-poor exemption. And further suppose that even with the low-income credit you can't afford the insurance you are required to have. At that point you move to category "B". You owe the tax (penalty) for not being insured.
So when you say this: "Meanwhile, the suckers like us who still have private sector jobs, will be unable to afford private insurance on top of this new “tax.” You are slightly wrong. If you have insurance you won't have to pay the new tax (penalty). Of course you'll have to pay all the other new taxes that will be needed to do things like: expand medicaid to cover millions of new borderline poor, provide subsidies for the purchase of insurance to those in the category just above them, etc. But we don't know what those are yet, exactly.
Those fortunate to have good insurance like me...will lose that good coverage. Probably will be forced on ObamaCare....will not purchase if I have to do it on my own
ObamaCare will be unenforceable....we have laws for requiring auto insurance....but large numbers do not have it. Rarely enforced until after an accident or other infraction
I will not submit to tyranny
It’s either pay the $700 a month or go to jail for a year with $25,000 in fines. I never can tell if it is 2012 in America or 1955 in the Soviet Union.
I will not comply
MolonLabe
I don't even recognize this country anymore... God help us all.
I suspect they would face the same problem foreseen by Yamamoto.
Aren’t they planning to tax our employers and us for providing/having insurance? I believe that they are.
I should have, however, worded that differently. I will be unable to afford GOOD, private insurance, on top of whatever I have left from the employer/or when they drop me, DeathCare.
The elites will continue to have the world’s finest care, and continue to be able to afford whatever fees, taxes, etc. PLUS be enrolled in quality care. Those of us in the middle class, working for the private sector, will be given the death pill if we get sick.
No it doesn't...only the real high deductible ones like $10,000. Regular, reasonable deductible HSA's with smaller deductibles $2500-3500-4500 will still be sold by the insurance co's and BC/BS said they will become more popular than ever and are ramping up marketing of them.
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