Posted on 06/13/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by MindBender26
In Case You Don't Like Romney...
Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question regarding the upcoming presidential election …
“If Romney wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who may have hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in mind:
1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78
2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year
3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August
4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago and has had cancer twice.
Whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.
If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you’re smokin’ something funky….”
So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didn’t get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win ... just imagine this possibility:
'SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER'
Did that get your attention!
No, for the following reason:
It grieves me deeply, Sister, to see you argue against 2000 years of obvious Christian teaching and 6,000 years of obvious Judeo-Christian teaching.
There is no historic Christian denomination that believes what you just rejected, nor is there any doubt that the Bible teaches the omnipotence and omniscience and omnipresence of God.
Very clearly this is not about the free will of individuals but is instead about the guiding power of God. As the Apostle Paul so eloquently said in Athens:
Acts 17:24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.
So, the rise and fall of NATIONS is part of God's plan to have people seek HIM. There are so many examples.
17 The God of the people of Israel chose our fathers; he made the people prosper during their stay in Egypt, with mighty power he led them out of that country, 18 he endured their conduct for about forty years in the desert, 19 he overthrew seven nations in Canaan and gave their land to his people as their inheritance. 20 All this took about 450 years.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
It wasn't God who "appointed" Obama. It was the American electorate. (How can one blame God for human acts?)
I only hope the "dupes" among them will not succeed in returning him to an Office he is not by any means or measure qualified to hold, this next time out.
BTW, I define "dupes" as people who are not ordered in the Logos of God, but who are ruled from the level of "vital nature." IOW, the "pull of the physical world" outweighs and outdraws the "pull of the spiritual world" with such people.
I aver we Americans are in the throes of a great spiritual crisis at this time.
By "spirit," I intend the following:
...the openness of man to the divine ground [of being]. Through spirit man actualizes his potential to partake of the divine. He rises thereby to the imago Dei which it is his destiny to be. Spirit in this classical sense of nous, is that which all men have in common, the xynon as Heraclitus called it. Through the life of the spirit, which is common to all, the existence of man becomes existence in community. In the openness of the common spirit there develops the public life of society. [Voegelin, Collected Works 12:7]Now the America that Obama seems dedicated to destroying is the most promising crucible of the emergence of God-given individual liberty as the main factor to be protected in a just and free ("liberal") public order. In this sense, America is, as John Winthrop put it, a "shining city on a hill," the beacon of liberty under just law beaming outward into the world. All because, historically, culturally, the American people understood America was a "nation under God."
In the past, God has manifestly blessed America....
But do we deserve His blessings nowadays?
At this point, I just get down on my knees and pray. For I have no privileged insight into the answer to that question.
Everyone must do the best he/she can: Pray. Vote your conscience.
What have I "rejected?"
..."2000 years of obvious Christian teaching and 6,000 years of obvious Judeo-Christian teaching"???
Good grief, I strongly doubt that!!! Why would I do a thing like that, which would be tantamount to denying the very ground of being on which I stand?
Methinks you are imputing to me motives that are not my own, in a sort of "projection" of internal ideas which are solely your own, onto me as a sort of "target" or "object lesson."
For what purpose?
Sounds good to me.
Thanks Lakeshark! I’ve been admiring your posts, as well.
I did not you called me a liar, I said what you said was not as boring as being called a liar.
The rest is just whiny deflection.
Try and keep up. I will not vote for a liberal, you do what you need to do .
I'm not "blaming" God for anything. I am merely acknowledging his sovereignty. Do you believe that if God didn't want Obama to be the president that the American People could have negated God's sovereign will by voting for someone that God did not want to be there? Are you that convinced of the power of the people over the power of God?
No I am firmly of the belief that sometimes God gives us what we want to teach us a lesson. In this case the American People wanted Obama so God gave him to us. If this is a cosmic joke, then the joke is on us.
I don't blame God for any of the unfortunate circumstances that I find myself in. On the other hand, I give thanks to God for all those circumstances knowing that all things work together for good to those who believe. In that sense I believe we will someday thank God for cursing us with Obama as our ruler. Whatever happens this November is going to be what God ordained to happen. If you think that God's will can be undone by the votes of the electorate, then you have more faith in Humanity than you do in God.
Somehow I think you haven't really thought this through clearly. I know you have spent a lot of time thinking about it, but I suspect you made up your mind before you started coming up with reasons to support Romney. What it boils down to is that you want Obama gone. I want him gone too. But I also want God's will to be done. Sometimes God's will is painful.
In the past, God has manifestly blessed America.... But do we deserve His blessings nowadays?
Looking around at our society, a society which (with the blessings of Romney) has murdered over 55 million innocent babies in the last generation - a nation which literally murdered its last generation - can you give me one good reason why America "DESERVES" anything from God other than Judgment?
Are we going to mollify God's wrath by casting our lot with a man who was (for the last generation) a vocal proponent of a "woman's right" to murder her unborn child or who has advocated for special rights and privileges for homosexuals including the "right" to marry and to adopt children?
I think not.
Will there be enough Americans unwilling to cast their lot with either of these pro-abortion candidates to postpone or turn God from the Judgment and wrath of God for our collective sins?
I don't know. I hope so.
God was willing to spare Sodom if Abraham could find but a handful of righteous men. Yet Sodom was destroyed. Does America "deserve" better? Maybe. God only knows.
So maybe God sometimes gives us something we don't want, to "teach us a lesson?"
Or are you prepared to rule such a thing out of the question, in principle?
Do you hold yourself forth as an expert in "what God wants?"
Personally, I think I have a pretty good idea, generally speaking. But as to how the details work out, I am as ignorant as you.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.
Acts 1:21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection." 23 So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases
Exodus 14:8 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.
Jeremiah 49:28 [A Message About Kedar and Hazor] Concerning Kedar and the kingdoms of Hazor, which Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon attacked: This is what the LORD says: "Arise, and attack Kedar and destroy the people of the East.
2 Chronicles 36:22 In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah, the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing:
Exodus 12:36 The LORD had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for; so they plundered the Egyptians.
Jeremiah 51:1 This is what the LORD says: "See, I will stir up the spirit of a destroyer against Babylon and the people of Leb Kamai.
1 Samuel 5:6 The LORD's hand was heavy upon the people of Ashdod and its vicinity; he brought devastation upon them and afflicted them with tumors.
2 Kings 17:20 Therefore the LORD rejected all the people of Israel; he afflicted them and gave them into the hands of plunderers, until he thrust them from his presence.
2 Chronicles 25:7 but a man of God came to him and said, "O king, these troops from Israel must not march with you, for the LORD is not with Israel--not with any of the people of Ephraim.
God is obviously more than willing to give us what we want to teach us a lesson or to give us what we don't want to teach us a lesson. I don't understand why you would have posited that question.
Do you hold yourself forth as an expert in "what God wants?"
I think the Bible is pretty clear that when things like elections occur, the result is something that God ordained. God is perfectly capable of controlling every situation so that ultimately his will is done. I have studied the Bible and History enough to know that when it comes to determining the direction a nation goes, that God's hand is fully in control of the situation. Israel is the perfect example of God using people like Obama to chastize the nation for it's lack of faith. How many times did God ordain tyrants to rule over Israel so that they would turn from their ways?
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Chr 7:14
Personally, I think I have a pretty good idea, generally speaking. But as to how the details work out, I am as ignorant as you.
Do you believe that God doesn't know who is going to be elected this November?
Do you believe that if God didn't want that to happen, that he is somehow powerless to prevent it?
Betty responded: No, for the following reason:
That response Betty is a rejection of scripture....lots of it.
Daniel 4: "13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold,a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven. 14 He cried aloud, and said thus….. 17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."
John 19: "Then saith Pilate unto him: Speakest thou not unto me? Knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
Jesus answered: Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above. Therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."
See #1192
Congrats on your purity. The left thanks you and laughs heartily.
I’m not sure what is more ridiculous: “conservatives” trying to justify voting for a liberal and calling it the conservative thing to do, or “Christians” trying to justify a vote for a a man who legislated pro abortion/homosexual laws and using the Bible to do so.
This thread and others like it belong on an episode of Mystery Science Theater. Honestly, it’s not worth debating people that do not see the obvious contradiction in their stated positions.
For some reason only know to you, you think I am voting for BHO. It is a charge against me over and over and over.......show me one post ever where I said I was voting for him.
Put up or shut up.
Since this is indeed going nowhere, I’ll finish with this. I’ll take this guy’s thoughts on the matter over yours.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams
You on the other hand can ‘cherish the sweetest reflection’ that you voted foe a man whose principles oppose (supposedly) your own. More power to you and hopefully in the future we’ll find things we agree on because on this matter, I and many here refuse to yield.
That is a truly, stupendously ignorant statement.
Ignorant of how a vote works.
Ignorant of alternative candidates
Ignorant of the person's own statements
Ignorant of reality itself.
It can not be more completely an ignoring of the facts at hand.
Svcw, these people are just making it up as they go. Because their own past conservatism condemns their current position, their guilty consciences are forcing their pens/tongues to wag nonsense.
You know I had read that before and remembered the sentiment, but couldn't remember if it was in the Bible or something that someone else had said. It is true that the basest of men are often given to us by God to be our "leaders" in the kingdom of men. I think that verse certainly expresses the FACT that it is God who chooses our rulers, even in a democracy. We have clearly been blessed as a nation to have the likes of George Washington (who clearly had some personal faults) and Ronald Wilson Reagan, but by and large we have survived as a nation with some pretty base men at the top of the political food chain. It is a miracle that we are still a relatively free nation, but it is only by the grace of God and not by the choice of our electorate that God has spared this nation much of the turmoil that is visited upon the rest of the planet.
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