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To: betty boop
Marlowe asked: ... Obama would have no power at all if it were not given to him by God. Do you agree with that statement?

Betty responded: No, for the following reason:

That response Betty is a rejection of scripture....lots of it.

Daniel 4: "13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold,a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven. 14 He cried aloud, and said thus….. 17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

John 19: "Then saith Pilate unto him: Speakest thou not unto me? Knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

Jesus answered: Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above. Therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin."

1,192 posted on 06/19/2012 2:27:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; betty boop
the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

You know I had read that before and remembered the sentiment, but couldn't remember if it was in the Bible or something that someone else had said. It is true that the basest of men are often given to us by God to be our "leaders" in the kingdom of men. I think that verse certainly expresses the FACT that it is God who chooses our rulers, even in a democracy. We have clearly been blessed as a nation to have the likes of George Washington (who clearly had some personal faults) and Ronald Wilson Reagan, but by and large we have survived as a nation with some pretty base men at the top of the political food chain. It is a miracle that we are still a relatively free nation, but it is only by the grace of God and not by the choice of our electorate that God has spared this nation much of the turmoil that is visited upon the rest of the planet.

1,200 posted on 06/19/2012 3:43:06 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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