Posted on 06/03/2012 9:09:45 AM PDT by pinochet
In 2009, the New York Times had a heartbreaking story on the hatred and prejudice that single mothers receive in South Korea, for bringing up children without husbands. They are fired from their jobs, ostracized by their families, evicted from their apartments, and their children are shamed in school and made to wish they had never been born. This has resulted in South Korea having a 2 percent illegitimacy rate, compared to a 40 percent illegitimacy rate for Americans.
The Times notes that a shocking 96 percent of single mothers who get pregnant, have abortions. That is the huge price that South Korea pays for its 2 percent illegitimacy rates. About 70 percent of the babies who are born, are given to foreigners for adoption, because the mothers want to avoid the shame of single parenthood. Here is the NYT story: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/world/asia/08mothers.html?_r=1
If one was to compare South Korean culture (which aborts 96 percent of babies born to single parents) to black American culture that encourages a 70 percent ilegitimacy rate, which of the two cultures is a more moral culture?
In the context of Korea, you are harshly judging those women who may have been set adrift by their parents in the first place, been subjected to date rape, or to false promises and seduction by irresponsible men. It may surprise you to know that, even before birth control was introduced in this country, fully one-third of brides were pregnant, back in the day when we had a majority Christian country.
Both the Korean culture and your harsh attitude casts all blame on the women. That's fundamentally unfair. They can't just make a man marry them, be a good father or a cooperative mate. Speaking as one who lived through an abusive marriage and had the freedom in the U.S.of A. to get a good job and offload the abuser. Which, in turn, made me a born-again conservative!
If you are merciful to the stupid, you are being cruel to the smart. Yes shame can be cruel, but it motivates parents to be especially attentive to what their daughters are up to. It also forces daughters to resist opening their legs up to any handsome seductive young man who wants to f**k them so they can brag about it afterwards and immediately abandon them when they find out the girl is pregnant. I know my language was a bit harsh (forgive me), but the consequences for the girl and child is even more harsh and forgive will only expand this behavior to the point it will become another burden to the taxpayer who is teaching their daughters to be responsible.
Too many Americans admire the strong family value system in Asian society (Confucius based) but too many do not realize the strict social enforcement mechanism needed to make it work.
Today many woman with college education in big cities go out drinking on weekends till the wee hours of the morning. Some of them wake up surprised they have been raped or worst assaulted or dead. Still many wonder how it could happen. When your society cannot understand that woman have vulnerabilities that are not shared by men, and yet we let them go about free and reckless, well rape, unwanted pregnancies, or rape/death are the consequences. This is true since pre historic times and the savagery do not go away because we have smartphones and ipads.
I wish more single mothers gave their babies up for adoption.
Back in the old days, many single mothers did this. Nowadays, relatively few do.
It seems ironic that, so many Americans are going overseas to adopt, when there are record numbers being born out of wedlock, who theoretically could be adopted out into good homes.
This is the NY Times talking. I would trust them not to twist things around.
I wonder if the abortion rate in South Korea is actually higher than in the U.S.? Most single mothers abort their children, and I guess I can believe that. But how many single mothers are there?
I do know that in the U.S. before the grand, left-wing, hippie, anti-Christian Sexual Revolution of 1968, there were few abortions OR unwed mothers. Since Roe v. Wade was introduced, there are far more abortion AND far more unwed mothers.
The same thing with birth control. Before you taught kindergarntners how to put condoms on a banana, there used to be FAR FEWER abortions and FAR FEWER unwanted kids. Sexual license is responsible for huge rises in BOTH.
The purpose of these articles in the New York Times is obvious. They want to outlaw Christianity, kill traditional morality, and introduce total sexual license of all kinds. And they don’t give a damn what the actual consequences are.
” I don’t know how to rebuild that as a cultural norm, however.”
Evangelism and discipleship.
I agree. Again, bring back shotgun weddings!
I agree. Again, bring back shotgun weddings!
Because abortion is vitally unknown in the American Black community...
Yes! What about encouraging marriage?
I'm not sure how the Left would cadge it, but you seem to have hit on a lethal mixture of racism and sexism..../s
I've never been mugged by a South Korean. You never hear about South Koreans burning down neighborhoods.
When I was a teenager in the 60s, it was considered shameful to have a child out of wedlock. Many children who were born to unwed mothers were adopted.
Adoptions now are extremely expensive, social services and other governemnt redtape get in the way, many of those agencies are run by perverts, and babies are actually scarce due to mothers getting welfare and raising them [sic] on their own, or aborting them. Add to that the stories I’ve read of people adopting babies or young toddlers and a few years later birth mommy wants her kid back and via courts get the child back, ripping it from the only home it’s known, and destroying the adoptive parents’ lives.
No welfare plus easier adoptions will greatly lower the illegitimacy rate.
Already more and more people are pro-life. And there are many private orgs that help unwed mothers choose life.
A couple of generations ago the illegitimacy rate for whites was around 2%. Two percent! Now it’s about 20%. It used to be 20% for blacks, now it’s 75 to 80%. So almost 80% of all black kids are born without a father in the home. This signals destruction of civilization.
Judging by criminal justice statistics, for every da Vinci, we get millions of rapists, murderers, and general criminals. We get enough well-adjusted smart people from among the legitimate population to keep civilization going.
The rate of abortions compared to pregnancies is higher in South Korea, but I would dare say that the rate of unwed pregnancy is much higher in the US. For an apples-to-apples comparison, you would have to look at the rate of abortion compared to the number of unmarried women in both countries. I would bet you dollars to donuts that this figure is higher in the US due to the higher number of pregnancies.
Johnson's 'great society' has caused more destruction in America than any other thing.
/johnny
Abortion is widely and generally available in South Korea.
Societies that don’t legally enforce laws against abortion may find that abortion rates will be roughly inverse to illegitimacy rates. The less tolerant the society is of illegitimacy, thus helping to minimize the choice of that outcome, the more abortion the society will see, and vice versa.
But if those who commit the crime of abortion have much to fear legally, abortions will generally not be readily available, and women who become pregnant out of wedlock will more often need to find a way to have their babies.
However, over time, women will understand that they don’t have the option of generally-legal abortion available to them, and they will alter their behavior accordingly.
This is certainly what prevailed in the United States pre-Roe, when the rate of abortions was perhaps 10% of the current rate, and when illegitimacy was far lower.
An excellent and cheap way to encourage marriage is to eliminate AFDC and all welfare/aid to single mothers. Let private charity take up the slack if it is needed.
The fedgov needs to cut about 80% (for a start) of its programs. It has no business doing most of its nasty work. The War on Poverty is ruining the US, now there are generations of feral subhumans to whom the concept of personal responsibility is completely foreign.
Some problems can't be solved in this world. Libs don't want to hear that, so they gotta meddle.
/johnny
In the old days (fifty years ago), the incidence of unwed motherhood was low enough that where it was unworkable for the girl to get married, she could go "visit relatives" for a few months, the child would be adopted by a loving couple, and life would move on. We now have too high an incidence among certain populations to make that workable. Plus black social workers have been adamant that black babies could not be adopted by white couples.
It also forces daughters to resist opening their legs up to any handsome seductive young man who wants to f**k them so they can brag about it afterwards and immediately abandon them when they find out the girl is pregnant.
And who is raising these young "men" to have such attitudes?
(Remember when "defrauding a virgin" meant something?)
I know my language was a bit harsh (forgive me), but the consequences for the girl and child is even more harsh and forgive will only expand this behavior to the point it will become another burden to the taxpayer who is teaching their daughters to be responsible.
Don't apologize. This point needs to be driven home.
Today many woman with college education in big cities go out drinking on weekends till the wee hours of the morning. Some of them wake up surprised they have been raped or worst assaulted or dead.
Alcohol + strange men = danger.
Still many wonder how it could happen. When your society cannot understand that woman have vulnerabilities that are not shared by men, and yet we let them go about free and reckless, well rape, unwanted pregnancies, or rape/death are the consequences. This is true since pre historic times and the savagery do not go away because we have smartphones and ipads.
YES!
We don't really seem to have, in our modern society, a way of socializing young women and training them in how to deal with men with an eye towards marriage. I think some places still have cotillion as a way of training young people in social graces, but that's pretty hard to find. It's such an essential, bedrock thing and it is being tragically overlooked. Now you have the value-free, market-driven entertainment (Hollywood) and advertising ("Madison Avenue") industries teaching their values to young people, and to be sure they are not at all concerned about the grave consequences for future generations.
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