I'm glad they're going after criminals
Posted on 05/28/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by Daffynition
Police officers are trained manipulators. They take classes to learn how to read people’s body language and how to ask open-ended and innocent-sounding questions in order to surreptitiously obtain information they can use against you.
They also have a knowledge of the laws that you don’t possess — and laws differ from State to State, and even from one jurisdiction in a State to another. Police have also been known to invent “laws,” place “evidence” that can be linked to you and twist your words into meaning something you did not intend.
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Safety is about you being safe and in control.
Security is about bureaucratic control of you and everyone else.
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I have repeatedly observed case after case of lawlessness descend swiftly wherever there was a gap in enforcement. It's just human nature.
Ya, I remember the big hurricane which hit New Orleans...The cops were the first ones to take off...Some were even found looting.
I'm glad they're going after criminals
Standing police forces are actually a relatively new invention in Western society, and really aren’t that necessary. Most of us “obey” the law most of the time not because of the threat of getting caught (because odds are you won’t) but because doing things the illegal way is usually more work and people are inherently lazy. Legal purchases are so much lower in stress and effort, the folks who turn to crime most of the time are just messed up in the heads (or they’re violating dumb laws nobody respects), and they actually tend to get caught by the regular people or their own stupidity more than the cops. Cops are there to look good, and to bring revenue, they do not make society safer, and that’s not their job, which is good because they’re not actually good at it.
Most of the country is in a “gap of enforcement” most of the time, think about it how often do the cops actually come to your neighborhood? If you live in a nice neighborhood that answer is “almost never”, if your answer is “frequently” then you probably live in a crappy neighborhood. See the better neighborhoods ARE a gap in enforcement, they’re the neighborhoods where the people take care of each other and the cops aren’t “needed”; and the neighborhoods where the cops go all the time they don’t actually help, they’re still high crime neighborhoods because the people don’t help each other.
By this one particular we have been robbed of our presumption of innocence.
Logically, you can not presume someone is innocent while lying to them for the purpose of getting them to expose a crime.
It's like saying you offered someone a bribe because you presumed they wouldn't take it.
Nonsense. The old west wasn't total anarchy. People policed themselves. You may not like the manner in which they did so, but anarchy it was not.
Excellent perception. They, by the mere fact of lying, are assuming a person is guilty. Hence, the ONLY means to confront such an attack, and it is an attack on our presumption of innocence, is to simply not cooperate and shut up. By far the best means of ending a confrontation with the police is to ask for a lawyer.
In the ultimate sense, police only have one real function...to prevent society from killing off it’s deviants.
In the ultimate sense, police only have one real function...to prevent society from killing off it’s deviants.
What does that mean?
I was in the great exodus of hurricane Floyd, and that was orderly, polite, and effective with minimal contact by law enforcement.
I'd be a lot happier with far fewer cops, and a society more open to having local citizens deal with local problems. I'm pretty sure society would be a lot more polite and civilized.
Just eliminating the loose standards required for asset forfeiture would lower the corruption level, to plant drugs on people to take the car, claim money sets off a drug dog and take it, etc.
No, Riley.
The cops have changed. I was at a police open house with my kids. Free safety lectures, bounce houses, snow cones. My six year old son went wild at all the vehicles open for tours. Police car, bomb squad truck, crime scene truck - fine. Then came the SWAT team vehicle, SWAT command vehicle, SWAT team carrier ... at least five SWAT vehicles they were willing to show, on top of what had to be sitting in a bay ready for deployment. And the command and control vehicle, too. I asked what that was for. The officer said that was for the county, to coordinate all our surrounding cities if something happened.
Before Obama, they had 2-3 SWAT vehicles. Now they have at least half a dozen or more. The city is still 50K people, plus surrounding towns of similar sizes. And this is a ways from Dallas or Fort Worth, so there are no riots I know of in at least the decade I’ve lived here.
My son was getting an engaging lecture on all the non-lethal weapons the officer had, from bean bag guns to rubber bullets. I’d never seen this in open discussion before. The officers were humoring him, but I was getting afraid of my own town’s police - they’re militarizing and arming up.
I already have it saved on my Blockbuster queue! Too bad we don’t live near each other.. we could have a Statham movie night!
What are they afraid of?
The thought experiment in Peter Moskos's In Defense of Flogging bears some consideration.
“.... is that he trips over himself”.
The only good ending to the story is that he did a lot of home improvements like hard wood floors, redesigning the kitchen (cabinets etc). He hoped to flip the house as a real estate investment. Well, the market did a funny thing and he either broke even or lost money. It is probably the only good news about the real estate crisis....
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