Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry
OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT
Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.
Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.
Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.
Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama's birth.
Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama's status on Arizona's ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.
But, I'm not voting for him, anyway, so I'm not sure I even care where he was born. I do think I know where his evil soul is going, though.
Arizona to Hawaii: Obama has no need to be on the AZ presidential election ballot.
“.....Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.....
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I’ve seen a number of times where folks have “confirmed” that they’ve been abducted by space aliens repeatedly. Of course you’re going to just take their word for it because they have no proof to offer (perhaps Alien Law prohibits providing proof).
Let me diagram that a bit, since the prepositions are confusing:
(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of
a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of
or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in
an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;
Obama submitted an application to be on the AZ ballot. That application has to contain the claim that he is eligible to be POTUS. So Obama’s application makes claims related to the vital record in question, since to be eligible he has to be old enough and a natural born US citizen - both of which are directly related to his birth record.
That application was made in the ordinary course of the SOS’s activities, by somebody seeking the services of the SOS (placement on the ballot).
Ken Bennett is clearly eligible to receive this verification.
What the HDOH doesn’t want to say is that they CAN’T verify any of the birth facts because Obama’s BC is both late and amended, and HRS 338-13 says that its probative value - if any - is to be determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. This is a legally invalid record; Hawaii cannot “verify” anything from it because they don’t accept or vouch for the accuracy of anything on a late and/or amended BC. And Obama’s is both, as evidenced by the shenanigans they’ve had to pull with Virginia Sunahara’s BC in order to have a valid 1961 BC# and spot in the legally-valid records database.
See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885601/posts?page=72#72 for details on how we know they changed their database to put Virginia Sunahara’s record under somebody else’s name.
LoL.
Article IV Section 1 Clause 1:
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
Hawaii cannot ask Arizona to prove its need to see the documents. Full faith and credit requires Hawaii to comply.
It's the second sentence that intrigues me.
And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
If I'm reading this right, Congress could in effect define Natural Born Citizen itself by establishing the documents that it accepts as proof of qualifying for President.
This could get interesting.
Congress could pass a law that says that candidates for President must provide proof of natural-born citizenship. Such proof will consist of all of the following:
1. The candidates original hospital long-form birth certificate.
2. Each parent's original hospital long-form birth certificate, OR, US Naturalization certificate.
That should pass Constitutional muster unless someone challenges the need for the parents' documents. If that happens, the requirement for the candidate's birth document would remain.
Congress can fix this without the Court.
-PJ
aunt sarah confirmed obama was born in mombasa.
A verification need not be a complicated document, but to supply a paper legal document with a raised seal that is a forgery would implicate/ensnare Onaka in the trap of having to vouch or not vouch for the letter of verification if the Arizona SOS challenges it.
The Political hands trying to “put the fix in” seem to be having kittens at the thought of the two men having legal contact.
That's just my take on it. Thanks for all your hard work in tracking this fraud down.
They have no choice and its the only way out for them.
We will watch McCain try to force Bennett to fold his hand.
We once speculated that Obama witnessed his own Hawaiian birth circa 2005. LoL. :-)
aw....she was just embellishing.....
We know that Barry SortoObama was adopted by Lolo. SR reappears when BO returns from Indonesia for family business. An annulment of Lolo adoption would not make his appearance necessary....What would? Did he have to sign off on the grandparents adopting their grandson....(Sis adopted her grandson and both parents had to appear/agree)
That would mean that the “birth records” for BhO have multiple amendments with multiple sealed records. Just maybe that they don't have any idea WHAT the original says...
Years ago when we were looking for the source of “African” on the document he then present, came across a possible clue. The term “AfriKan is used in African countries with Dutch connections to denote those born of indigenous parentage. Kenya was once on the Dutch trade route and adopted some of it's legal processes. (Different terms were used to denote those of European ancestry or with mixed lineage.)
Thanks,bdz.
Once again you have made the incomprehensible understandable.
It is time for the AZ Attorney General to join in the request.
For if ther AZ SOS is not “eligible” to receive this information in the normal performance of his duties, then no one is, and that is hogwash.
You do excellent work!
The thing that isn't mentioned is how pissed off all the people who are putting themselves on the line for obama must be, along with all the people who are just sick and tired of lies and disappointments obama has given them.
I don't care how magical one partner might be, at least at first, I've seen very few marriages last through what obama is dishing out to his faithful.
Love can be a fragile thing, especially when it turns out to be barely more than infatuation.
From what I read in an LA Times article, AZ SOS Bennett copied an application form off the internet and sent it in with $5. The HDOH responded by saying he needed to prove he was authorized to request/receive a verification. I would presume that Bennett responded by showing that he is the AZ SOS and has discretion to require canddates to convince him of their eligibility.
If he’s done that and it’s been more than 10 business days since he’s heard from them, they could be stalling (par for the course in my experience) and the OIP will have to be involved to force a response out of them. They have to either deny or comply with his request. If they deny his request they have to give a legal reason.
Thing is, if his BC was amended in 2006 as the HDOH admitted, and if there are supporting affidavits as OIP Director Tsukiyama admitted (which would only be necessary for amended and/or late BC’s), then the birth record they have for Obama is not probative/legally valid and HRS 338-13 says that the probative value must be determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body.
IOW, the State of HI on its own does not vouch for the accuracy of any of the claims on an altered or late BC. If Obama’s is late and/or amended (as is indicated by HDOH and OIP UIPA responses AND by their need to alter the 1960-64 birth index to include legally non-valid names in order to get both Obama’s and Virginia Sunhara’s names on the list at the same time) then Hawaii CANNOT verify any birth facts for Obama. Their law forbids it. The only way there can be any legally-recognized birth facts for Obama based on what is in HI is if Obama actually presents that BC (complete with “ALTERED” stamp on it and notes about what proof was submitted to support the amendment) to a judicial or administrative person or body, who then have to follow the rules of evidence according to legal protocols.
If the HDOH ever DOES verify birth facts for Obama, then they have made conflicting public statements regarding Obama’s records, and Bennett would have to figure out which statement was accurate. That could only be done through an audit of the records, as recommended by a HHS inspector general’s report anyway (see http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf ) That report says that a birth certificate alone should not be used to determine eligibility, especially when much is at stake – for instance, a passport (which was the example they used, contrasting documentation necessary for Little League versus getting a passport). And it says that if there are signs that there could be a forgery (such as a vague or too-light “seal” such as was the case on the photo that Savannah Guthrie posted online) other proofs should be requred and the records audited.
That poses a problem for Obama because EVERY “proof” known to exist for him shows signs of tampering:
1. Both the COLB and long-form show signs of forgery (the COLB has a “seal” that doesn’t bend with the fold of the page it’s supposedly on; the electronic file had authenticating marks that could be moved around on the page – clearly C&P’ed from a different document than the rest of the image was taken from; and Savannah Guthrie’s photo has just the kind of indistinct and light “seal” that the OIG report refers to as being too fishy) and conflict with what the HDOH has revealed through UIPA responses.
2. The draft registration is the only one from that post office at that time that lacks the first 2 digits of the 4-digt year stamp.
3. The SSN he used on his tax returns fails e-verify and was issued from Connecticut where Obama never lived.
4. His passport file has been breached 3 times, and sources close to the investigation told Newsmax that the purpose was to sanitize the record. And the one who oversaw the breaches was rewarded with a position as Chief of National Security.
ALL the records are suspect, and for any one of them to be used to determine eligility – according to the OIG recommendations – there would have to be a complete audit to figure out exactly how and when that record really originated.
No matter how you slice it, Bennett is going to have to demand an audit before he can be sure of anything. There will be immense pressure on him to just bypass that step. We need to pray for him.
Something that may make the HDOH a bit hesitant to illegally “verify” Obama’s birth facts is the realization that if Obama is defeated in the election, we may have an Attorney General who DOESN’T shield all the crooks from federal investigation and prosecution, and at that point an earnest US Attorney in AZ would have everything he needs to throw every complicit person in HI in jail for a very, very long time.
Anything we can do to make it apparent to the HDOH that Eric Holder will not be able to stall justice forever…. will help “convince” Loretta Fuddy to do the right thing, for once in her life. If she does, she will respond to Bennett by saying that she CANNOT verify Obama’s birth facts. At that point Bennett will have what he needs to keep Obama off the ballot.
What we can do right now to help Bennett is to pray for him and to pressure our Congress-critters to hold Eric Holder’s feet to the fire AND to impeach him. Because Eric Holder is the lynchpin for this whole lawless mess we’re in. He’s the placeholder making sure that the feds will protect the crooks rather than prosecute them. If he is taken out of his position the whole lawless dam bursts and the crooks will have to fight to be the first person to turn so they can plea bargain for immunity or a lower charge in return for the goods on everybody else.
it would seem that if bambam wants to be on the ballot, its up to him to authorize the documents, NOT Az...
Yes, they can, and the HHS inspector general’s report says that they not only CAN but also SHOULD. It would be worth everybody’s time to read that report. It’s at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf
Kind of a central point of that report/recommendation is that birth certificates were never meant for determining eligibility for various benefits or positions. States can and should require more than just a birth certificate to verify eligibility. Even if the birth certificate is genuine (according to that report half of the state registrars said somebody within the vital records system had engaged in birth certificate fraud) - but especially if there are any signs of tampering. And EVERY document known to exist for Obama has tell-tale signs of tampering, as I noted in the last post I posted before this.
Read the report; everybody should read the report. It’s long but worth it.
And it should also be noted that to this point the HDOH has actually disclosed nothing official that even claims to confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii, except a deceptive, carefully-worded announcement by HDOH Director Fukino in July 2009 - which Deputy AG Jill Nagamine then claimed was based on the birth index, which I have proven on my blog to contain legally non-valid records. We know it was carefully-worded because when asked to clarify what was meant, Janice Okubo said she could not stray from that wording AT ALL.
A lot of people are going to an awful lot of trouble and putting themselves in extreme legal jeopardy to get this Kenyan reelected.
Has the entire country gone mad??
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