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Sick From Fracking? Doctors, Patients Seek Answers
NPR ^ | 05/15/2012 | Rob Stein

Posted on 05/16/2012 3:05:20 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: South Dakota

Liberals love to exploit scientific ignorance.


81 posted on 05/16/2012 7:47:56 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I'm not sure what the smelting folks use, but acetone is pretty flammable. Meth cookers use it in at least one of the meth making processes.

From Dow Product Safety:

Roughly 75% of the available acetone is used to produce other chemicals, and 12% is used as a solvent.

Applications range from surface coatings, films and adhesives to cleaning fluids and pharmaceutical applications.

Other consumer and commercial applications include:

Lacquers for automotive/furniture finishes

Cellulose acetate films and fibers

Photographic films and plates casting

Coatings and inks

Resin thinners and clean-up operations

General purpose cements

Degreasing and degumming agents

Paint, varnish, lacquer strippers

Nail polish removers

Various cosmetic products

Of course, that leaves out any illicit uses or illegal disposal of chemicals.

82 posted on 05/16/2012 8:21:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Acetone and ethyl acetate volatalize readily at room temperature and volatalize almost completely (no residue). They are great solvents and, because they are minimal chain organics, very few organic surface treatments (paint, polish, dyes) are insoluble in their presence (they strip just about everything). Smelters might use them for oil/grease removal but I doubt it given their flammability profiles.

I pointed out the smelters because the student said they (1) had a metallic taste in their mouth (another culprit might be sulfur compounds from somewhere) and (2) smelled the odor “+like+ nail polish remover” which means an organic solvent of some type.

Smelters would certainly use cold-dip degreasers which would involve a large tank of chlorinated solvents (non-flammable)


83 posted on 05/16/2012 8:53:22 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I hope they find the problem, but I'd look in the clinic basement and storage areas of the clinic for leaking chemicals

But they'd better BEWARE of them HJARNOR! eaters.

84 posted on 05/16/2012 11:49:13 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

It’s the C.H.U.D. in the crud that’ll get ‘em...


85 posted on 05/16/2012 12:06:29 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: thackney; Dusty Road

Why would you introduce facts and reality into a liberal conversation assigning evil motives to oil companies?

(watching in the wee hours.....i can usually fall asleep, w nature shows on....but not when my blood is boiling.....)


86 posted on 05/16/2012 12:44:06 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: thackney

As I stated, hydraulic fracking dates back to the 1920s, and it was developed by Standard Oil Co. (they also developed directional drilling at about the same time)

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=hydraulic%20fracking%20w&tok=_QhhiiWfaIYnccvP5YNx-A&pq=when%20was%20fracking%20first%20used&cp=47&gs_id=aw&xhr=t&q=hydraulic+fracking+was+first+tried+in+the+1920s&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=hydraulic+fracking+was+first+tried+in+the+1920s&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b6d0dfd8395358a8&biw=960&bih=461

The pneumatic fracking you refer to, today would likely be liquid nitrogen fracking, IIRC, the nitrogen is mixed with small amounts of water to create a foam. Some propane fracking has been done, but it is not as efficient as other methods of fracking. IMO and from experience, condensate frac jobs are the most dangerous, due to having so much highly flammable liquids stored in frac tanks on location.


87 posted on 05/16/2012 1:33:49 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (I'll be a nice to you as you'll let me be, or as mean as you make me be.)
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To: thackney

No whoops, as I stated, hydraulic fracking dates back to the 1920s, and it was developed by Standard Oil Co. (they also developed directional drilling at about the same time)

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=hydraulic%20fracking%20w&tok=_QhhiiWfaIYnccvP5YNx-A&pq=when%20was%20fracking%20first%20used&cp=47&gs_id=aw&xhr=t&q=hydraulic+fracking+was+first+tried+in+the+1920s&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=hydraulic+fracking+was+first+tried+in+the+1920s&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b6d0dfd8395358a8&biw=960&bih=461

The pneumatic fracking you refer to, today would likely be liquid nitrogen fracking, IIRC, the nitrogen is mixed with small amounts of water to create a foam. Some propane fracking has been done, but it is not as efficient as other methods of fracking. IMO and from experience, condensate frac jobs are the most dangerous, due to having so much highly flammable liquids stored in frac tanks on location.


88 posted on 05/16/2012 1:35:49 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (I'll be a nice to you as you'll let me be, or as mean as you make me be.)
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To: Sea Parrot

The whoops referenced my mistake, not yours.

The 1860’s fracturing was using explosives, not pneumatics as I incorrectly remembered.


89 posted on 05/16/2012 1:38:38 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
B S !!!

http://www.energyfromshale.org/sites/default/files/Typical-Shale-Fracturing-Mixture-Makeup.pdf

90 posted on 05/16/2012 1:44:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: thackney

Thanks, even better!


91 posted on 05/16/2012 5:02:08 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Smokin' Joe

One more guess.

An environmental terrorist is bombing their place with chemicals in order to stop the fracking and oil recovery.


92 posted on 05/16/2012 5:07:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-pression.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"People go from physician to physician, because 'nobody seemed to be able to treat this awful rash that I have,' or 'nobody seemed to be able to deal with my gastrointestinal pain that I have'".

Simple. Because it's psychosomatic.

93 posted on 05/17/2012 1:25:45 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: thackney

I was reading in my Alma Mater’s magazine about the fracking, and the guy said that yes there are hundreds of various chemicals used, but that it is primarily water, the propants (sp?) and a FEW chemicals that are designed to work in the environment of each specific well (I imagine things like temperature, pH, etc.).

Pretty much what your research has also shown.


94 posted on 05/17/2012 2:16:52 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

Chemical Use In Hydraulic Fracturing
http://fracfocus.org/water-protection/drilling-usage

95 posted on 05/17/2012 4:43:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

OMG - 0.49% of other “stuff”! This is SOOOOOOO much worse than even global warming! (Carbon Dioxide is about 0.04% of air).

I wonder if any of these oil and gas guys have filled a class with it and drank it to show how safe it is? I recall as a kid some guy did that with the raw outflow from the Taconite (iron ore) mill in Minnesota that was running into lake Superior. Although I don’t think I would drink it, I would be just fine with it running through the shale 5,000 feet below my feet.


96 posted on 05/17/2012 2:05:02 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

I don’t recommend drinking every combination of fracking fluid, but some are better than others.

Clean fracking: Moving to replace chemicals
http://money.cnn.com//2011/11/16/news/economy/clean_fracking/index.htm?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
November 16, 2011

Last summer a Halliburton executive did the unthinkable: He took a big ol’ swig of hydraulic fracturing fluid.

No, he didn’t have a death wish. And yes, he appears to be doing just fine. He did it to prove a point: fracking fluid need not be toxic.

What the exec drank was a new formulation of fracking fluid made with ingredients sourced from the food industry rather than the chemical industry.

As public concern over the controversial practice of fracking mounts, Halliburton and a host of other companies are racing to fill a major void: finding a way of cracking rock to unlock oil and natural gas that is also environmentally benign.

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CleanStim® Hydraulic Fracturing Fluid System
http://www.halliburton.com/ps/default.aspx?pageid=4184&navid=93&AdType=JPTCSTC


97 posted on 05/18/2012 7:59:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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