Film: President's father not Barack Obama

The gal that came up with the “Obama wearing Malcolm X glasses” story describes herself as a fiction writer. Her own photographic evidence is laughable.

At least you are good for debunking some of the more ridiculous theories.

"I’ve always been curious as to why Madelyn didn’t want to be buried next to her husband."

I had heard that Stanly the father was buried in the Military section and that Madelyn had a spot there also. It was Barack Obama that decided to cremate her and throw her in the ocean. That is if that really was her.

I'm not doubting that Frank Marshall Davis may have engaged in sexual activity with the young Stanley Ann Dunham. But there were likely other black men who were intimate with her as well around that time. Communists, as I said, were much more into that kind of thing at the time than most other Americans; it was a common part of their lifestyle.

Another factor here: What would have been the advantage to the young Obama to claim the Kenyan as his natural father if in fact FMD was? Wouldn't he have been better off claiming Davis (unquestionably, an American citizen) as his father for legal reasons?

I agree Obama is a dead ringer of Malcolm-X..... Not Frank M Davis!!

Those who have been paying attention may have noticed that Obama’s older daughter is the spitting image of one of the daughters of Malcolm “X.” Of course, Obama himself resembles “X” far more than he resembles Obama, Sr. or Frank Marshall Davis. Obama also shares some facial resemblance to his maternal grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham. Obama, Sr. had a deep voice like James Earl Jones, but junior (Obama) has no such voice. Compare videos of “X” speaking and Obama speaking and try to argue there are no similarities.

Obama also often voices the “sssss” sound much like “X” did. (Listen to Obama say “Congresssss” in his “pass this jobs bill now!” speech to a Joint Session of Congress. It can clearly be heard in his very first words: “Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congresssss…” “X” had that same speech impediment.2

Many readers may also recall Obama’s victory speech at Chicago’s Grant Park on election night.

Obama wore a black suit with a red tie. His youngest daughter, Natasha, wore a black dress; older daughter Malia wore a red dress; and

Michelle Obama wore an arguably unattractive red and black dress that appeared to represent a large “X.”

The stark colors and the “X” suggest that the outfits are meant to honor Malcolm X.

Red is the traditional color of socialism, and is associated with social democrat and socialist political parties; black is the traditional color of anarchism, and black power.

I agree with this.

But nothing could be completely ruled out at this point given the lack of hard facts.

FMD refers to the seduced 13-year old in his book. And he may have taken dirty pictures of SADO. And if there is an alternate he is a good #2, even if unlikely.

But it seems Obama senior leveraged his marriage and child when convenient and ignored them otherwise.

He does claim SADO as his wife in the INS forms in August of 1961. But fails to mention his supposed namesake child.

He does not claim them in his annual INS forms until 1964 - when he is about to be booted out of the US. THEN he claims both. And claims to be married after the formal divorce is final. My feeling on the divorce is that it was filed to give Obama II a name before Obama senior left or after SADO realized he was not coming back for her.

It also get interesting in 1971 when Obama Senior comes back. Likely in an action to leverage is parenthood to get Obama II out of Indonesia with all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed when it came to guardianship - AND citizenship. His role as the birth father allowed for termination of Lolo Soetoro and SADOs parentage rights and likely terminated Obama II’s Indonesian (only at the time) citizenship.

It would be doubtful that he would let Obama II be acknowledged as his child or do the 1971 trip if we was not connected.

Finally, I believe Kenya to be what is called in the IT security world a honeypot. Some that looks enticing but is worthless. It keeps prying eyes away from a damning issue - that Obama II was soley an Indonesian citizen from at least 1968 (when he was removed from SADOs passport) to 1971 (when he left Indonesia for good).

The only possible solution is to get some other black man to claim paternity. And that's what they did

The problem with this scenario is that it ignores what is known about Obama Sr.

In the first place, Obama Sr. was a playboy who was always looking to get as much action as he could. This was noticed even by the U of H administrators.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that Obama Sr. nailed Stanley Ann?

It is completely consistent with everything known about him.

The idea that he would be recklessly screwing around and find himself with a baby he never intended from one of his conquests is completely consistent with his character.

The other problem with your story is the suggestion that Obama Sr. was the kind of person whom some locals could approach, slip him a few bills and he would agree to pretend to be the legal father of some woman's child.

We are talking about a guy who by all accounts had the highest self-conception of himself to the point of conceit. He thought of himself as the most brilliant person in the room superior to everyone else and he expected he would return to Kenya with tremendous academic accolades and be proclaimed a high leader.

It's true he was always seeking more scholarship money and had to work to earn more money to support himself during this temporary period at university before ultimately returning to Kenya in triumph.

But the idea that some locals in Hawaii could approach him and for a few bills he would legally pretend to be the father for the baby of some local girl as if he was some trash from the other side of the tracks who would do literally anything for a few bucks is nonsense. While he was not the brilliant God's gift to humanity he thought he was, nevertheless he was NOT such a stupid man that he would willingly get into a lifelong permanent entanglement just for a few bucks.

A permanent entanglement resulting from one of his reckless sexual conquests is believable; a permanent entanglement consciously done just for some bills to tide him over while he is at university is NOT believable.

I agree with your conclusion that if Davis was taking nude photos of Stanley Ann, then he was likely nailing her.

I find it strange that anyone would come up with such a complicated and bizarre scenario simply to avoid what seems obviously believable, that she was being nailed by BOTH the playboy Obama Sr. and by Davis.

I'm not doubting that Frank Marshall Davis may have engaged in sexual activity with the young Stanley Ann Dunham. But there were likely other black men who were intimate with her as well around that time. Communists, as I said, were much more into that kind of thing at the time than most other Americans; it was a common part of their lifestyle.

What other black men were available in November of 1960 in Hawaii? I have read that they were rather uncommon and that Barack Sr constituted one of the two on the Island. (An exaggeration of course, but possibly with some merit.)

Another factor here: What would have been the advantage to the young Obama to claim the Kenyan as his natural father if in fact FMD was?

The question overlooks the possibility that he may have simply believed that Barack Sr was his father. It may have nothing to do with advantage and everything to do with what he was told. But as for advantage, I think we can safely say that Barack Obama's allure to his supporters (God knows I find him repugnant.) is based partially on the exotic nature of his name and his life's story. He saw it as politically advantageous, or perhaps just in general agreement with his mindset to regard himself as "Barack Obama" rather than "Barry Davis." (Bastard child)

Wouldn't he have been better off claiming Davis (unquestionably, an American citizen) as his father for legal reasons?

One must sleep in the bed they have made. He's gone by "Barack Obama" for so long, that if he came out and said he was the illegitimate son of an American Communist, just how far do you think he would have gotten politically?

The "legal" issue of being a "natural born citizen" was never on his horizon. The man never should have gotten to US Senator, let alone President. From my reading, he thought he was only going so high as Mayor of Chicago.

Bear in mind, he has never accomplished anything significant on his own. It was not HE who got himself into the White House, it was those bastard Liberal Democrats who make up the Media. They covered up or refused to cover the bad, they intentionally assaulted his political opponent with every means at their disposal, they gave him the equivalent of a billion dollars worth of free advertising, and some of them intentionally withheld damaging evidence.

The man should have been a political greasy spot, but the Media completely carried him all the way. They were so in love with the idea of a black President that they just didn't care that he was an idiot. He was a smooth sounding Idiot.

I see no fault in any of your reasoning.

Oh, yeah, go to Africa and tell some of those guys you want some cells from the inside of their mouths so you can test DNA ~ right~!!!!

There's lots of easier ways to get it - "here, have a beer" and keep the bottle. I've wondered why someone didn't do it back in '08.

The problem with this scenario is that it ignores what is known about Obama Sr.

In the first place, Obama Sr. was a playboy who was always looking to get as much action as he could. This was noticed even by the U of H administrators.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that Obama Sr. nailed Stanley Ann?

Why do you find it hard to believe that Frank Davis didn't? He certainly had more opportunity. Stanley Ann would often come over to his house to listen to records, and for crying out loud, we have PICTURES of her naked in his house! Do you have better proof for Obama having sex with her?

It is completely consistent with everything known about him.

The idea that he would be recklessly screwing around and find himself with a baby he never intended from one of his conquests is completely consistent with his character.

Oh, I have no doubt he would have done such a thing, I just have doubts that he got to Stanley first.

The other problem with your story is the suggestion that Obama Sr. was the kind of person whom some locals could approach, slip him a few bills and he would agree to pretend to be the legal father of some woman's child.

We are talking about a guy who by all accounts had the highest self-conception of himself to the point of conceit. He thought of himself as the most brilliant person in the room superior to everyone else and he expected he would return to Kenya with tremendous academic accolades and be proclaimed a high leader.

It's true he was always seeking more scholarship money and had to work to earn more money to support himself during this temporary period at university before ultimately returning to Kenya in triumph.

And here you answer your own question. When Barack Sr got back to Kenya, he became a worthless washed up drunken bum. Not sure he would have turned down an offer of money, but beyond that he may have thought it was worthwhile to get an assist in his attempt to immigrate, and get some free poontang on the side as well! He DID seemingly attempt to use his claim on wife and child to stay in the country, but it didn't work. As for a "permanent entanglement, I am certain he felt no compunction about telling the b*tch to get lost when he no longer had a use for her. In other words, he didn't regard it as permanent OR an entanglement.

I agree with your conclusion that if Davis was taking nude photos of Stanley Ann, then he was likely nailing her.

I find it strange that anyone would come up with such a complicated and bizarre scenario simply to avoid what seems obviously believable, that she was being nailed by BOTH the playboy Obama Sr. and by Davis.

I'm not suggesting that she wasn't getting nailed by Obama, i'm just suggesting that Davis is the one who did it first. As a result, it caused the two of them to seek out Obama to cover up the fact that Daddy's best friend was nailing Daddy's little girl. Also, it is possible that Davis didn't want his wife to find out that the cute little girl coming to visit all the time just happens to have a black baby.

Something tells me she would find such an event just a little too coincidental. It's possibly another reason why Stanley was in Washington State around the time of Barry's birth. (Or shortly thereafter, as the case may be.)

Yes, Obama Sr was getting himself some freebies as part of the deal.

They use beer bottles ~ and old mail sacks.

I think it'd be simpler and more understandable to hire some guys to rob them on the streets.

How do you get a sample of the president’s DNA?

How many times does this guy have photo ops? He's always out and about on vacation or the links or smoozing it up on the campaign trail or eating out on our tax dollar. Simple enough to snag a fork or napkin. He doesn't live in a bubble.

I’m thinking Ann had a one night stand with some sailor and the Dunhams paid off Senior to marry her.

This is also interesting (regarding an Obama X)

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=284

Why do you find it hard to believe that Frank Davis didn't?

I don't find it hard to believe, BECAUSE I SAID THAT VERY THING IN THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

You are setting up a false choice between Obama Sr. and Davis as if for some reason it is only one or the other.

Stanley Ann in August in Seattle was seen with a healthy baby for which we have no reason to believe was not full-term.

So the screwing she was getting at Christmas from Davis was not the cause of the baby.

But I agree that for all we know, she was screwing around with him before that as well.

But then you arbitrarily rule out the likelihood that she was screwing Obama Sr. and that THAT resulted in the baby.

You offer no rational basis for ruling out Obama Sr.

And then you come up with this truly unbelievable and irrational story about Obama Sr. agreeing to legally be the father of some local baby in exchange for a few bills as if he was some homeless bum living on the beach.

When Barack Sr got back to Kenya, he became a worthless washed up drunken bum.

We are not talking about Obama Sr at a later point in time. And when Obama Sr. FIRST got back to Kenya, he had a promising future ahead of him. It was only LATER that he became washed up.

We are talking about when Obama Sr. was at U of H. Here, he was a top student looking forward to getting a PhD at Harvard or some other equivalent university.

He imagined himself going back to Kenya as Dr. Obama, PhD in economics where he would be a high government official and people would gather at his feet and he would explain the mysteries of economics and how he would show them the way to socialist prosperity.

Furthermore, from all accounts he had a personal sense of superiority.

The story that he was the type of person who would accept some money to pretend to be the legal father of a baby that he did not believe was his is utterly absurd and contrary to everything known about him.

You are trying to mislead and confuse people by anachronistically importing later elements of his life as if they were relevant to what happened in early 1961.

That later in life he was a washed-up bum has NOTHING to do with it.

What, did the older washed-up Obama Sr. get in a time machine and go back in time and replace the younger, ambitious, conceited, successful student Obama Sr. in 1961?

Similarly, what he was or wasn't doing in 1964 to try to stay in the country longer has NO LOGICAL CONNECTION to the story you are imagining of Obama Sr. in early 1961 agreeing to take some money from locals in order to play the legal father of some girl's child.

Everything we know, all the facts, point to the simple conclusion that Obama Sr BELIEVED he was the father of the baby, at least in early 1961.

Was he really? Without a paternity test and without knowing whether there were even more black guys beyond Obama Sr. and Davis whom she might have been doing, none of us can say for certain.

But the evidence points to Obama Sr., at least initially, believing he was the father of the baby.

A more logical explanation for why Obama Sr. married her in early 1961 but by August 1961 wanted little to do with her or the baby is that HE FOUND OUT MORE ABOUT HER.

He may well have gotten wind of her and Davis' activities and maybe other dudes as well. He might have been arguing by the time August rolled around that maybe the baby was his, maybe it wasn't.

That would be consistent with the facts, rather than pretending Obama Sr. was some kind of bum in early 1961 whom some sharp locals could talk into holding the bag as the legal father of a local girl's baby.

Dead ringer. He looks even less like Marshall than the Kenyan. The thing people need to open their minds about is his mother.

The entire Dreams family makeup is invented.

Obama's half-brother also doesn't look much like Barack Sr.:

Maybe he's somebody else's child as well, but when parents from different races get together the children don't show some of those physical characteristics that predominate in one race or the other.

Barack Sr. has a physical appearance that's very common among the Lao people. His half-White kids aren't going to have those characteristics.

You must be premising your theory on Grandpa being a comrade of Davis's and there's no real proof of that.

My thinking is that if your daughter got pregnant by a man twice her age you probably wouldn't want him around. You'd move away sooner than have him in the picture. So FMD would only be around if he wasn't the father.

Of course it's possible FMD was the father and that as time went on grandpa started to feel closer to Davis and relented, but I'm thinking the Dunhams would have moved again away from Hawaii long before that happened. You also can't assume that in pre-Internet days you can't assume grandpa would have known about Davis's dirty novel or possible attraction to underage girls. He might just have been the only educated Black man the Dunhams knew on the island

Davis had pull at Harvard going back to his Chicago Communist days? Not sure about that. Hawaii was pretty far from the rest of the country and Davis pretty isolated. Hard to cash in on connections made 40 years ago if you don't keep them up. And I doubt his party friends made it into Harvard or the Saudi royal family.

Obama moved to Chicago to get in touch with Davis's or Ayers's friends or roots? Maybe. It's possible. But Chicago was also Alinsky's home town. Alinsky was dead by then, but if someone really admired him and his work making a trip to the city and dropping his name might open doors.

Chicago was also one of the really big centers for African-American politics: first Black Congressmen after Reconstruction, a Black Mayor before New York, a larger percentage of Black voters than Los Angeles, not as much a basket case as Detroit or Newark, not as Southern as Atlanta or New Orleans. It might have looked like a natural place for an outsider to break into Black politics.

I don't find it hard to believe, BECAUSE I SAID THAT VERY THING IN THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

Yes you did, but later in the message. I respond by reading from the top down and typing my comments regarding what I had just read.

You are setting up a false choice between Obama Sr. and Davis as if for some reason it is only one or the other.

Stanley Ann in August in Seattle was seen with a healthy baby for which we have no reason to believe was not full-term.

So the screwing she was getting at Christmas from Davis was not the cause of the baby.

The pictures were taken BEFORE Christmas, (the presents are all wrapped up.) I would suggest the earliest the pictures could have been taken would have been just after Thanksgiving, but more like mid December. It is irrelevant to the point. At this time, Ann was supposed to be seeing Barack, yet there she is, naked in Davis' house.

The pictures only indicate the general time. By the time they were taken, they could have been playing bouncy bed for months. By the time they were taken, she was already pregnant.

You offer no rational basis for ruling out Obama Sr.

See comment above.

And then you come up with this truly unbelievable and irrational story about Obama Sr. agreeing to legally be the father of some local baby in exchange for a few bills as if he was some homeless bum living on the beach.

Seriously? THAT is the part of the theory you have a problem with? That Barack Obama Sr was too much of a Gentleman to be involved in such a con? That his honor would be demeaned or something? The guy worked for low wages in a pineapple processing facility during the following summer! He complained to the newspaper about how EXPENSIVE it was to live in Hawaii, and how he was just barely making it!

Apart from that, you don't know how much money was offered, and likewise the deal to dip his wick was also an incentive. Stanley Ann was probably the first white woman he ever bonked, and if you have any black friends, you know that they regard having a White Woman as a status symbol.

Sign some documents, pretend (in front of the girl's family) that you are married, get money and sex with a young white woman. Yeah, I can't see how he would ever stoop so low as to take such a deal. You're right, that is the weak spot of the theory.

We are not talking about Obama Sr at a later point in time. And when Obama Sr. FIRST got back to Kenya, he had a promising future ahead of him. It was only LATER that he became washed up.

We are talking about when Obama Sr. was at U of H. Here, he was a top student looking forward to getting a PhD at Harvard or some other equivalent university.

He imagined himself going back to Kenya as Dr. Obama, PhD in economics where he would be a high government official and people would gather at his feet and he would explain the mysteries of economics and how he would show them the way to socialist prosperity.

It would seem he had a lot of delusions. Perhaps he was not so smart as you seem to think he was.

Furthermore, from all accounts he had a personal sense of superiority.

Obviously too high and mighty to be interested in a white woman. Oh, wait...

The story that he was the type of person who would accept some money to pretend to be the legal father of a baby that he did not believe was his is utterly absurd and contrary to everything known about him.

You don't know him. You are just making assumptions about how you THINK he will behave. I would say nothing in his subsequent life indicates to me that he wouldn't have jumped at such an offer. That he was inclined towards socialism ought to tell you right away he was an idiot. That he lied on his Visa application (to get into the country) ought to tell you that he was a liar. I don't know why you think so highly of his character. Nothing in his subsequent life illustrates any self deprivation or self control.

You are trying to mislead and confuse people by anachronistically importing later elements of his life as if they were relevant to what happened in early 1961.

That later in life he was a washed-up bum has NOTHING to do with it.

Au contraire, mon frère. It is perfectly consistent with the notion that bad people come to bad ends. I am merely pointing out that had he been such an upright person as you seem to feel he was, he would not have ended up so badly later on in life.

What, did the older washed-up Obama Sr. get in a time machine and go back in time and replace the younger, ambitious, conceited, successful student Obama Sr. in 1961?

Not at all. It merely indicates that he wasn't so great in the first place. You do know that he lied about his age on various documents in his INS report? Who would have ever thought that a socialistic liar and playboy would have ended up badly?

Similarly, what he was or wasn't doing in 1964 to try to stay in the country longer has NO LOGICAL CONNECTION to the story you are imagining of Obama Sr. in early 1961 agreeing to take some money from locals in order to play the legal father of some girl's child.

You may not have read as much on this as have I, but I recall reading that he wanted to stay in the country permanently. Perhaps he thought America was a much nicer place to live than the Kenya of the 1960s. (Indeed, people in Kenya were getting killed around that time.)

Was he really? Without a paternity test and without knowing whether there were even more black guys beyond Obama Sr. and Davis whom she might have been doing, none of us can say for certain.

But the evidence points to Obama Sr., at least initially, believing he was the father of the baby.

What evidence? If you assume that the long form birth certificate has some basis in fact, it becomes apparent that Barack wasn't even present at the baby's birth. People have made a lot about the entry of "African" under "race", and "Kenya, East Africa" under Country, and how his age was wrong, but all of this makes sense if you consider that he probably didn't even bother showing up for the birth. If the document was filled out by Stanley Ann, or Grandma Dunham, it is not odd that it would be less than accurate.

He didn't give a crap about the baby. He didn't give a crap about Stanley Ann either. Everything he did indicates that he didn't give a crap about either one of them.

A more logical explanation for why Obama Sr. married her in early 1961 but by August 1961 wanted little to do with her or the baby is that HE FOUND OUT MORE ABOUT HER.

He may well have gotten wind of her and Davis' activities and maybe other dudes as well. He might have been arguing by the time August rolled around that maybe the baby was his, maybe it wasn't.

That would be consistent with the facts, rather than pretending Obama Sr. was some kind of bum in early 1961 whom some sharp locals could talk into holding the bag as the legal father of a local girl's baby.

It was a "bag" with no downside for him. Free money and Free Sex with a young white woman? Yeah, he wouldn't want any of that at the expense of his "honor".