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Is Hollywood no longer making blockbusters for the US market?
MovieReviews ^ | 04/17/2012 | By Mark Harrison

Posted on 04/18/2012 10:35:40 AM PDT by Carbonsteel

It's curious enough that toy company Hasbro now counts as a Hollywood powerhouse, and still curiouser that Peter Berg managed to make a narrative (sort of) out of Battleship, but what makes me most curious is the fact that the premiere was held in Tokyo. In fact, much of the marketing of this unabashedly patriotic film about the US Navy fighting aliens has focused on the international angle, which leads us to wonder- are non-Americans now the primary audience of Hollywood cinema?

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To: Ingtar
In many recent movies, those with a plot seem to bomb in the US and explode overseas, Captain America and Thor are two examples.

Uhhh...I guess we saw different "Captain America" films...

41 posted on 04/18/2012 12:07:40 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: equaviator

“Exactly how I felt after seeing Oliver Stone’s ‘JFK’ in 1991. I was so rattled that I went directly to the local watering hole and stayed until I ran out of money. I’ll never watch that movie again.”

It’d help to watch again with the mindset that it’s a wildly paranoid piece of contradictory juvenalia. Keep asking yourself, “Just how gullible can grown men be?”


42 posted on 04/18/2012 12:09:42 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: wbill

actually, he is a Mormon.


43 posted on 04/18/2012 12:09:42 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Carbonsteel

There hasn’t been a gerat movie in a very long time. We used to buy lots of them but in the past few years we haven’t bough but a handful and they were terrible.


44 posted on 04/18/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it ain't Newt, we're screwt !)
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To: Carbonsteel

Gran Torino is about the only good Hollywood film I’ve seen come out in the past several years.


45 posted on 04/18/2012 12:14:47 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian
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To: buwaya

“There is considerable ‘moral equivalence’, of the ‘war is bad, and I’m very sorry about the enemies I was made to kill for no good reason’ sort.”

I don’t know about that, exactly. Equivalency, yes. We get force fed the wornout canard that war is caused by failures to communicate. Though the bugs started it, we are taught to hate the humans in charge and damn them for tricking the hero.

The “kill for no good reason” part is a little off, though. Like I said, they did start it. But more to the point, not only does Ender kill them; he commits genocide (or so they think). That’s a genuine moral problem, even for good wars.


46 posted on 04/18/2012 12:18:52 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Carbonsteel
It's a foregone conclusion that Hollywood stopped making movies that Americans wanted to see some 20 years ago. The question is why?

Well the answer is easy - what happened 20 years ago?


47 posted on 04/18/2012 12:22:55 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: JediJones

A lot of why things do better overseas is scale not economy. There’s 311 million people in America, 6.5 BILLION in the not-America part of the world, that’s a lot more people to sell to. Even if you only get half the penetration you’re still talking 5 times the sales.


48 posted on 04/18/2012 12:23:56 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Ingtar
America wants explosions and effects with no thought required.

Not so.
49 posted on 04/18/2012 12:24:05 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Tublecane

Thanks for the advice Tublecane but that’s pretty much what I was thinking once I settled into what was probably my seventh beer that afternoon. Nevertheless, I couldn’t stop talking about it for a week!


50 posted on 04/18/2012 12:29:29 PM PDT by equaviator
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

To be absolutely fair, Miyazaki is a Japanese artist doing Japanese themes. He’s also brilliant and has an enormous following outside of Japan, but it’s those who enjoy Japanese works of art.


51 posted on 04/18/2012 12:55:41 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: Fire_on_High

Then the question is why has Miyazaki not sold out to the overseas market the way the U.S. studios have? ;)


52 posted on 04/18/2012 1:08:23 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Ingtar

So Thor and Captain America are the thinking man’s movie that those overseas have the deep mental capacity required, while we sit around running our spoon through our apple sauce?


53 posted on 04/18/2012 1:22:47 PM PDT by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: ansel12
"dig" at Palin? It isn't irrelevant at all. "Her" movie bombed---although it wasn't hers and she could easily distance herself from it by saying it was just another documentary. Do you deny it bombed? The box office was, shall we say, pathetic (reviews are what are irrelevant). By all accounts, a wave of conservatives should have packed theaters to see the film. But they didn't.

As for "defending" the Hollywood left, I defend capitalism, and I tried---which you seemed to resist understanding---to explain why in fact Hollywood did NOT "make movies no one wants to see." It is absolutely true that every studio routinely bankrolls films that are anti-American/anti-middle class and certainly anti-Iraq. These do bomb. But the studios are rather shrewd in how they fund these, but trickling them out amidst genuine money makers so that they do, in fact, make money.

What I tried to show you was that Hollywood has carefully identified a target audience and that virtually all movies are aimed at that audience. I personally think there is another very large audience out there that can support movies, but it is a more difficult promotion, as conservatives have so routinely demonized films that it works against family-friendly/conservative movies. So, for example, the "Fireproof" series is successful at one level (up to about $10-15 million gross, at a cost of $7-10 million) but will have a very, very tough time ever getting out of that earnings box because of its message. "Atlas Shrugged" might have, but I maintain that the script was poor, and the plot too strung out over a series to hold even a sympathetic movie-goer's interest.

54 posted on 04/18/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

LOL, just double down and keep pumping the message.


55 posted on 04/18/2012 1:52:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: Carbonsteel

There is a book out about the hypcocricy of the Entertainment industry.

Hollywood Hypocrites.

It details just how the liberals work to get around Unions and taxes.


56 posted on 04/18/2012 2:11:22 PM PDT by OlagJohnson
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To: ansel12

Which is, I guess, all you have to say when you have neither evidence no argument.


57 posted on 04/18/2012 9:17:50 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Hard to deny the evidence when your posts are on this very thread, proving my point.

Palin bashing never ends with you, I don’t know if you have started pushing Romney on us yet, but I assume that you will be, at some point.


58 posted on 04/18/2012 9:27:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: ansel12
And I'm still waiting for one iota of evidence, argument, or logic from you.

As for Palin bashing, I made an observation that you, for all your stupid snarky remarks, still cannot deny: her movie was an absolute bomb. Now, care to make a post that has the slightest bit of evidence or reason?

59 posted on 04/19/2012 1:16:00 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I try not to waste much time on you, I assume that just as you devoted yourself to bashing Palin when she was a threat, that you will soon start pushing us to support Romney.

Have fun with that.


60 posted on 04/19/2012 11:55:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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