Whistleblower calls out IT giant over U.S. jobs (the usual H1-B visa scam)

CBS News ^ | April 12, 2012 | John Miller

[mrsloungitude]

Mechanical Engineering in the medical device industry. We were just purchased by a larger corporation, our location, in the US, was made the corporate head quarter's for a division and we are in the process of moving additional manufacturing to our facility in the US.

Latin America is not even considered an option and considerations for building a facility in Asia is on the table, but for supplying the Asian market only.

[ClearCase_guy]

building a facility in Asia is on the table, but for supplying the Asian market only

There is at least some risk that China will steal all your intellectual property and build their own facilities in order to compete with you in Asia and in Europe and in the US.

They've done it before.

[khelus]

A lot of technical people steer their children away from technical careers. Sure, the career itself can be rewarding -- but companies always want to hire people who are younger and cheaper. It's definitely not a field for people over 50, and I'm not sure it's a field for people over 40.

Young kids aren't going into science and technology careers at the rate this country needs -- and there are very good reasons for that.

You've brought up a few of excellent points.

The underlying brain processing that makes one good in math, science, and technology tends to be inherited. I don't know anyone in IT or any other STEM field who would encourage or even pay for an education in a STEM field today.

The point at which age bias kicks in is around 35. the forgotten central issue in H-1B visas--age . Ironically, as in other areas of endeavor, with age and experience comes increased productivity.

By bowing to the NWO globalists communists, our political elite [of both parties] is tossing away one of our most valuable e resources.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

There really doesn’t seem to be anyone in our so-called “leadership” who is one bit concerned about the long term security of America.

Nobody. On the left or the right.

The left is perfectly happy to betray our nation, to gain an advantage at the voting booth.

The right (at least the “free trade” right) seems perfectly happy to betray our nation, if there’s even one dime to be made in the betrayal.

It’s discouraging, and tragic. America has no champions anymore. Just two competing vultures, each quite determined to destroy our nation faster than the other.

IMO.

[khelus]

... Other fields experience advances in technology that are easy to keep up with -- retail, business management, library science, construction, the list goes on and on. ...

Once upon a time, it seems to long and far away, a proven experienced employee in math, science, etc. was considered and asset. Some companies offered in house education; others reimbursed employees for additional training.

As to the imported 'Brightest and Best', most 'guest workers' are at best ordinary, at worst way below ordinary, but boy they're CHEAP.

[khelus]

In my job of tech support, I deal with many Indian’s and not only I have to deal with their condescending attitude but some of them expect you to bow down to them and kiss their @$$. A lot of them expect you to do their work for them. I told one of them that it was beyond the scope of support’s contract to do something and they in turned called me a lazy American who needs to work much harder !

Your experience sounds very familiar. Myself and associates have come across it often - both as employees and consultants. It's amazing how stupid I can become.

[khelus]

Why would the hire someone from India who can’t do the job? What does the company gain by hiring them. There are plenty of people here already who do not know what they are doing that are will and able to not do the job. There are plenty who know they do not know what they are doing and would be willing to work for less.

Very often the decision originates with bean counters, who set guidelines for HR. The goal is to save quarterly salary so they and the CEO look good in the short term. The actual managers who are responsible for doing the work often no longer have any input into who is hired.

[khelus]

... Our brains and brawn are best used early, in a first-stage career.

Not at all true! Good STEM people continue to become more valuable and productive with age, and experience. That thing called wisdom.

[khelus]

All of a dime? In my experience, betrayal only requires one nano cent.

[Gaffer]

Bottom line, we do not need these immigrants, legal or illegal. I contend it is a misguided attempt to appease employers who need competent help, but unwilling to invest in the resources of its own country.

I am capitalist all the way, but when they, the businesses of this country subject the rest of this to all the frills and benefits of residency and potential citizenship to foreigner for the sake of just the bottome line, that is where I draw the line.

Foreigners, the H1Bers convert to citizens for the large part. They eventually engineer the immigration of their extended families, who largely take full advantages of the largesse allowed - assistance, SS (yes, there are cooperative agreements for their own-country retirement payments, etc.)...

We simply don’t need these people. We don’t have a wilderness to tame, nor can we afford more Democrat voters.

[mrsloungitude]

Yes, this is something that is pretty well known and has been discussed.

[King Moonracer]

I remember an IT outsourcing group I was associated with whose vertical was the defense industry was constantly trying to offshore their contracts, despite being a security risk, and not allowed.

Hell hath no fury like a mid-level manager or up, hungry for a bonus, regardless of the consequences to society.

[9YearLurker]

Unfortunately in the fast-changing world of modern technical commerce, that tends not to be the experience of employers—which is why it is harder for a 40 or 50+ programmer or engineer to find a new job.

[9YearLurker]

H1Bers on average end up being modern immigrant families. If all our immigrants were like them, this country would be booming.

[IronJack]

Why would the hire someone from India who can’t do the job?

Because the incompetents from India work cheaper than the incompetents from the US.

What does the company gain by hiring them.

The bean-counters get to brag about how much money they've saved in development and support costs.

[Gaffer]

I had an immigrant working for me who’d become a citizen...he’d finally gotten his extended family here, each taking full advantage of the largesse available here.....he made $140K/year and somehow qualified for Obama’s home purchase credit...he took every opportunity to secure our company’s relocation expense reimbursement policies and milked them to the bone....bottom line, he spent three years with us contributing nothing - he was fired.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Get rid of the illegals, get rid of the H1-B and B-1 scammers, put some of these executives in jail, and we'll be back to less than 5% unemployment.

Not really - these are in most cases jobs that wouldn't be open or even in the USA at all without the visas.

I'd get rid of H1B and let anyone who wants to work in the US come - on the understanding that they get no social welfare benefits of any kind unless they undergo the naturalization process. And no "chain" immigration - Grandma stays in New Delhi. :)

What is happening is exactly what Nicholas Carr predicted in "Does IT Matter" back in 2004 - IT skills are simply being absorbed back into the disciplines that use them. Thus the CPA with Excel and VBScript programming skills is still a valued part of the American workforce - but the IT guy with Excel and VBScript programming skills is now working at Home Depot. Expect the trend to continue, as "pure" IT work gets further commoditized and outsourced.

[9YearLurker]

H1Bers on average end up being modern immigrant families. If all our immigrants were like them, this country would be booming.

[Gaffer]

A repeat, again.....substantiate it.

[9YearLurker]

Here’s an article with some statistics on immigrants from India: they now have the highest per family incomes in the US at roughly 50% above the national average. Immigrants from India tend to be highly educated, low crime, hard working, intact families.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/world/americas/29iht-indians.3322280.html?pagewanted=all