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We experienced something very similar to this recently when we had our baby. Medical staff often just do what they think that they need to do, and just don't answer questions that they are not comfortable answering. Questioning what they do is seen as challenging them and they don't take kindly to it.

We were also asked a series of very personal questions when we were being "interviewed" for the baby's SSN application. When we were asked what these questions had to do with acquiring a SSN, we were told that they were simply required to ask those questions. We respectfully refused to answer and told the lady that if her managers had a problem with that to have them come see us personally.

Often, the people who give the medications/treatments, confiscate babies/children, etc. are just following orders and if you question them, they don't know what to say other than it's our policy or the rules. It can be very intimidating for all involved.

Parents need to know their rights and challenge all gov't and hospital staff who think that they have some kind of special right to just carry on without your permission.

1 posted on 03/28/2012 7:52:13 AM PDT by Sopater
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It’s about good and evil. Our side approves of individual freedom. The “progressive” side believes that government will make all decisions for us better than we would make them ourselves. I’m not sure whether the next step for the other side is government-mandated exercise plans or government-mandated diets, but I expect one of the two “for the public good” if ObamaCare is not overturned.


2 posted on 03/28/2012 8:00:28 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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Once again, it boggles the mind that so many people are enamored of bureaucrats running our lives. Most "social workers" are barely qualified to flush a toilet.

Resist!

3 posted on 03/28/2012 8:01:16 AM PDT by Prospero
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I hope they sue the pants off of that hospital, the doctor, the case worker, and the nurses. Pathetic.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 8:01:32 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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I’ve never heard of anything so outrageous! Prayers for this family.


5 posted on 03/28/2012 8:03:57 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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There is so much more to this story than the “victimized” mother’s claims.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 8:05:42 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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, a government social worker named Angelica Lopez-Heagy

Well ... there's your problem, right there.

Several of them, in fact, all wrapped up in one neat little phrase.

7 posted on 03/28/2012 8:06:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Will get much worse with Obamacare. This will be similar to a Twilight Zone Episode on youtube at URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzm_pTghRsk


8 posted on 03/28/2012 8:10:32 AM PDT by CORedneck
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This is really vague. I’m a nurse, although not maternity.

When I had my babies, I asked questions, kicked out medical students, refused IVs, insisted on some other things, left early with one of the babies, broke rules about when my husband could stay with me, refused hepatitis shots, accepted the Vit K, refused to have them bottle feed my baby, told a nurse who was asking me about my post-natal contraception plans that she was being intrusive, and generally behaved like an assertive PIA princess. Which is not princess in the “fluff my pillow” sense.

If you hear maternity nurses talking behind their patients’ backs, some of them can be the bitchiest women you would ever meet, and any patient who wants things her way at one of life’s most transformative events is a princess. Some ob-gyns have that attitude too but I digress.

I never ran into anything like what you’re talking about - which is not to say it didn’t happen - but what exactly did happen? I can’t help but feel there must have been some particular trigger that got their panties in a twist.


9 posted on 03/28/2012 8:12:36 AM PDT by heartwood
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Somebody told me a long time ago that medical people think they’re “minor deities.” Time has proven him to have underestimated their hubris. They are omniscient, effectively omnipotent, and to done obeisance to.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 8:17:34 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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The mother didn’t assert her rights and basically allowed the social worker to do what she did. Under the law, all she had to do was tell the hospital that the social worker was no longer authorized access to her or her medical records. Also, if the mother had called for a Code Pink that hospital would have been locked down tight and the social worker arrested.

Social workers cannot take an baby but must get a court order.

Also, this story is missing some facts. I have never seen a social worker target a mother for no reason. They simply do not have the authority.


13 posted on 03/28/2012 8:19:40 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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If there is any truth in this story, then the problem is not so much the health care workers who were involved, but the damned tort lawyers.

The hospital refused to let the baby go early precisely because it would open them up to huge lawsuits if anything went wrong.

That, in turn, is because the ambulance chasing lawyers are in bed with the politicians, especially Dem politicians.

So, now, ironically, what is happening? The hospital is being sued. Yes, they probably behaved stupidly, but it’s a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, with these lawyers and politicians.


14 posted on 03/28/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Sue the crap out of ‘em.


15 posted on 03/28/2012 8:20:14 AM PDT by onedoug
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Social services...one of the most insidious of all government agencies. And one of the only government agency’s where they proudly and loudly proclaim to anyone who gets tangled up with them, to prove themselves innocent instead of the them (government agency) proving you guilty.


17 posted on 03/28/2012 8:25:49 AM PDT by ebersole
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What is not reported here and is just as troubling is that about two months later two other social service workers, Rhonda Cash and Jenna Cramer, arrived unannounced at the Ferris's home. The social workers explained that it was an emergency because social workers decided it was an emergency at that point.

Retribution anyone??

Click here for the story

18 posted on 03/28/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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A similar thing happened to an acquaintance of mine. She occasionally posts here but I’m not going to ask her to dredge it up, it’s likely still a sore memory to press.

It was about 20 years ago so the details are hazy to me, but I am sure she had no criminal record, no history of child abuse, yet the hospital attempted to separate her from the child, telling her she could leave but the baby had to stay, and on the records I saw there was a notation about either “potential child abuse” or “possible child abuse.” She had never used drugs, nor was there any indication whatsoever of medical issues for her or the baby, who had an APGAR of 9 and weighed eight-something. Why they chose to try to take the baby from her was never determined, but she and I both concluded it was because they could. She had no financial resources, although her doctor bills had been prepaid; she appeared to be destitute and without any means to defend herself from such an action. Also, a retired nurse told me at the time that a healthy white newborn was worth the low legal risk to CPS to obtain (or words to that effect). Since then I have been very opposed to all “child protective services.”

The story had a happy ending because she wasn’t quite as friendless and defenseless as she appeared. They had second thoughts and backed off.

File it under “this could happen to you.” Odds are it won’t, but yes it can.


25 posted on 03/28/2012 8:36:23 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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Are you freaking kidding me.? Thnk Gd for the HSLDF. I cannot believe what happened to this couple. Where are our freedoms? Sometimes I despise government.

I tried with all my might, on drugs and no sleep, to refuse the Vit k shot for my baby but the pediatrician wore me out promising she would die. I hate them. I really do. They drove me to give in, against my wishes, alone and in a compromised state. They do this routinely.

And a Goodie Lady came in when I was alone and equally out of it, drugged, sleep deprived. She told me of these wonderful magical yummy foods my baby and I could have if I signed up now. There was no mention of programs or taxpayers, just basically Get Goodies, Sign Here. Obviously WIC which I wasn’t eligible for. Didn’t sign but was incensed that my tax dollars were obviously going to anyone being coerced into signing. How many women aren’t eligible but receive this? How many are illegally here?

We may need right wing hospitals...


27 posted on 03/28/2012 8:37:15 AM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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When they started to give Jodi an injection, she asked what it was and what it was for. They gave her vague answers like, “It’s just to help.” Only after giving her the injection of oxytocin did they tell her what it was and then asked, “You aren’t allergic to that are you?”

This paragraph alone contains enough for malpractice charges. She could also charge the staff with kidnapping and blackmail for the rest. I hope they sue that hospital into oblivion.
29 posted on 03/28/2012 8:40:02 AM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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Just wait until the hospitals are filled with TSA type thugs................


38 posted on 03/28/2012 8:50:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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I'm *absolutely* no expert on the intricacies of OB/Newborn medicine but I know something about hospital administration in general,having worked in a large hospital for 20+ years (strictly with adults).Hospitals have many,*many* requirements they must fulfill when treating a patient.Some of the requirements are strictly "medical",others are legal,and still others are related to "malpractice".My understanding is that there are even more procedures,"medical" *and* "legal" that are followed with newborns...both for the well being of the mother *and* the baby (remember,there are *two* patients involved).

Perhaps a consultation with a malpractice lawyer might be called for.He/she would very probably be aware of all the legal and medical issue regarding newborns and can tell you what,if anything,the hospital did that was improper or illegal.

39 posted on 03/28/2012 8:51:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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What in heaven set you off about a SSN application?

Frankly, I don’t remember any questions for that.

Maybe name of mother, father, etc.


43 posted on 03/28/2012 9:05:39 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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