Posted on 03/27/2012 3:14:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway
A 13-year veteran of the New Orleans Police Department has been suspended without pay for his comment “Act like a Thug Die like one!” in response to a story about slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin.
Jason Giroir is under investigation by the New Orleans Public Integrity Bureau after a remark was posted on WWLTV.com’s website in response to an article about a rally supporting Martin. The slaying of the 17-year-old, who was shot by a neighborhood watch captain, has drawn nationwide attention.
Giroir has admitted to posting the comment last week. "His statement is, 'Yes, I did it’," Giroir’s lawyer, Eric Hessler, told The Times-Picayune. "He certainly didn't mean it as a racial comment, as an offensive comment, although it came out that way. He acknowledges he should have chosen better words."
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Suppose he said “Live by the sword,die by the sword”?
How would you feel about that?
I think the comment is not only right on, but a tame one at that.
He should never have been suspended.
But then, he's in a chocolate city now, ain't he ... ?!
What the officer said is indeed problematic for unrelated cases. However the broader context is well worth paying attention to.
While race agitators are trying to stimulate riots and the smaller scale ‘wildings’, ‘knock-out games’ and ‘flash robberies’, the public mood and patience to such things is decidedly sour. And this is seen first among LEOs.
It is almost inevitable that some merry band of thugs is going to assail someone with concealed carry and a willingness to use it. Followed shortly thereafter by half a dozen such perpetrators taken to hospital with abdominal holes.
Undoubtedly the usual suspects will call it a “racist massacre” or some such, and then the real debate begins.
I think RightwardHo's correct. Think Mark Furhman in the O.J. Simpson case. If the officer is white, this comment will be raised as a possible indicator of bias every time he has to testify in a case involving a minority defendant.
The officer found evidence (like Fuhrman)? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and planted it. The officer testifies as to what he witnesses? The comment is raised as possible evidence he is biased and is exaggerating or lying.
This officer is a prosecutor's nightmare. Fuhrman's racial comments, made in North Carolina in the context of a movie script, came back to cast doubt on his finding evidence in the O.J. Simpson case in California.
RighwardHo nailed it.
NOPD officer resigns force after being suspended for making offensive comments about Trayvon Martin case
Published: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 4:57 PM
Updated: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 5:48 PM
The Times-Picayune By Brendan McCarthy
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/03/nopd_officer_resigns_force_aft.html
So, this police officer gets suspended for stating an opinion based on facts? (Where is my trash can? I feel the need to puke!)
It’s not a NO case.
Doesn’t matter it’s a different jurisdiction. As a defense atty I’d be all over him on EVERY case especially anything in which he is involved in an altercation. And it would be relevant. It would go to his state of mind and motivation. It would color EVERY single case he handled involving minorities. Pretty much every judge on the planet would let it in. And if they don’t suspend him, it colors the whole department.
Suspend him at a minimum.
Fhurmans very old comments should never have been allowed in the first place.
I heard a judge say that Ito should have declared a mistrial as soon as that testimony was made.
It likely would make for legal difficulties in today’s PC ruled courts. It ‘may’ have been unprofessional depending on one’s point of view.
But wrong? No it was not wrong. It was 100% accurate. Unless ‘right’ means “Live like a thug, die by a law abiding respectable person.”
It’s a pretty well established fact that action results in consequence. If one sky dives, he has a far greater chance of falling thousands of feet to his death than a bed ridden man in a ground floor nursing home. If a person swims regularly mid ocean, his chances of drowning are far greater than those of an Arab living in the Sahara.
And if one lives like a thug, with the crime/murder/death statistics of thuggery to go by, there are greater than even odds that one’s chances of dying like a thug are quite high.
I think that would hold up in court, don’t you?
No further questions councilor ;)
As long as we let PC word games hold sway, we will be ruled by the people who play them.
Maybe the cop can get a gig on Fox when he’s fired.
LIVE LIKE A THUG, DIE LIKE ONE
im retired so i can say anything i want without losing my job.....its like being free,,,god bless american
Doesn’t matter at all. It would go to the cop’s motivation, state of mind, etc in almost any case involving a minority and especially one’s where there was violence. A decent defense atty would rake him over the coals and I sure wouldn’t want him in a jury trial.
Edit “Dy “LIKE” a law abiding respectible person”
Little did he know that was his ticket out !! He probly got a better job offer somewhere else.
Wouldn’t hold up in Court at all. This Officer would be eviscerated on the stand in any case involving any prejudice he may have. If I were the Defense Atty, I’d easily tear him to pieces.
Even if it were a pre-trial hearing. let’s say the issue is racial profiling and there was no probably cause. Just about every judge worth a hoot would toss the evidence in question if it appeared that he was prejudiced.
This one statement has the potential to ruin dozens, if not more, criminal cases in his jurisdiction.
It’s not smart to make comments like this when your online moniker is something like “worksforNOPD”.
Kind of asks for an internal affairs investigation.
I agree it wouldn’t. You are a lawyer and know that bettet than I ever could. That’s why I started with a statement agreement with you.
But that wasn’t by point. My point is that the statement itself is correct. A thug is more likely to die like a thug than a respectable member of society. And because of PC, your scenario is correct.
Take an Old west court in America and say the same thing in it. Would your legal wizardry sway, say a Wyatt Erp era judge? So what’s the difference?
The difference is that because of PC, a true statement like the above is more damaging to the cause of “justice” than a flat out lie.
OK, I will be the cop and you be the defense attorney.
You ask the questions and I will answer them right here. Go ahead, tear me up.
This Cop is in Louisiana, the Martin case is in Florida.
Your post is not only not applicable, it's a bit bizarre.
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